Koonago (literally - small lady)

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  1. phonetic stroking my banjo Registered Senior Member

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    So, I came across this intriguing branch of anime/manga on my internet travels today and thought I'd share and discuss it with you lot.

    I've got to warn you now - you will potentially find images of a sexual nature/naked drawn women in the links I post, so I'll say it's NSFW. I'll maintain that I have no sexual interest in these pics. I find the Japanese an intriguing bunch and the vast number of things that turn people on pretty interesting.

    Anyway, here's the gist -
    "Koonago is a branch of anime and manga, especially hentai, that has sprung up based around the concept of shrinking mature age women to sizes anywhere between two feet high and near-microscopic size." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koonago

    Interesting so far?

    Well, there's a dark side. Shouldn't come as much of a shock since it's mainly a Japanese thing, right? :)

    "The darker forms of Koonago artwork will depict such women being cut up or eaten provided they are toy size or smaller. One thing all Koonago artwork makes sure to depict is that clothing doesn't shrink with the woman in question." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koonago

    I'm not too keen on these from an art point of view. Some are very impressive, but I don't like gory art. I'm thinking of my dream home and putting pictures on the wall.

    The ones that I find most pleasing, personally are the ones where the people look pained and are being taken advantage of by full sized humans. Where they're a Toy. This is one of the different branches of Koonago, apparently.

    So far on my travels, I've stumbled across:
    Shrinking women (usually a cartoon where the womans clothes fall of her)
    Toy women
    Dark
    Pet

    Mostly the women are naked or the situation is sexual. I haven't seen any shrunken men yet, but I guess it's out there.

    Now for some links - pix not shown, due to NSFW
    Also, if you're offended by manga style/drawn nudity/porn, please don't click the links then shout at me.
    Some of my favourites -
    NSFW http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~kobatan03/jpeg/7155.jpeg
    NSFW http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~kobatan03/jpeg/7128.jpeg
    NSFW http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~kobatan03/jpeg/7153.jpeg
    NSFW http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~kobatan03/jpeg/7150.jpeg

    From the site - http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~kobatan03/

    Does anyone else find this kind of stuff quite interesting?

    Do you know of any western kind of equivalent or artist, apart from pixies and fairys?
     
  2. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    lol thats strange. maybe fortune teller baba from dragonball z is one of them. but she is not naked and very ugly.

    peace.
     
  3. Jitensha Registered Member

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    Yes I know about Koonago very well!
    I'm an SW (shrinking woman) fetisher!!! Yay! :D
    If you're interested on the fetish, you can try
    the-minimzer. com
    There is a lot of artwork, media, stories etc...so if you're curious :p
    I like going to Koonago factory to look at Toyogub's stuff, it's really well drawn. I visit the 'dark' side at times, but the 'eat' section is as far as I go :p I think some of his stuff is a little too dark for me ^_^;
    If you're curious more or less on how or why someone would like SW, I can give you my point of view.
    One if you're into bondage or Slave and Master type stuff, than this is something that might be thrilling for certain people. You basically have a woman who can't defend herself because she is so much smaller than you she cannot defend herself and basically becomes your sex toy (to put it in a nice way). On the nicer side, some fantasies include mutual sexual acts on both parties. Those couples usually have certain specific attributes...usually the girl is weak, cute, lovable or acts tough but deep down inside needs to be independent on someone. The guy usually just wants to take care of something, or gets an ego trip out of owning someone.

    I'm speaking generally of course. I personally like to become his toy, but I like the 'gentle giant' side too...as most girls would agree with me. Some guys are just into all the time violence, which if you're interested.
    violentsw. com and you can check their message boards too
    If you want to see more media (pics, comics, stories etc), check out my SW website :)
    jitenshasw. 50webs. com

    If you have any more questions about it, drop me an e-mail :)
    jitenshanokibou@gmail.com

    P.S.
    Yes...there is a fetish for shrunken men (SM)...which I rather hate ~_~; I despise needy men...unless they're sick or injured or something >_>...damn SM, you take them home they'll be sitting home all day watching TV because they're too small to work!!! All they want to do is wait till you get home so they can stare up their giant wife's dress!!! Damn little monkey perverts *shakes fist* At least the SW try and do chores while they're men are at work, and greet them when they come home <3 sweet, cute, small and sexy <3 yay SW!!! We always get our way too *pulls out tiny whip*
     
  4. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Blimey. There's petite and then there's functionally useless. These 'women' fall strictly under functionally useless. They are cute though. And disturbing.
     
  5. Jitensha Registered Member

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    We're not useless at all. You think a girl the size of Barbie couldn't perform a body job, for example? We're still capable of doing many things. Yes there are some people who are into girls at a inch or even microscopic level (which I think is ridiculous), but the most of us enjoy a size anywhere from 4~12 inches, or a mini size (around 2 feet) where we're capable of having tight and slightly painful sex lol.

    I recommend if you're looking for SW media, don't go to Toyogubs Koonago factory, because if you don't know anything about the fetish you will be scared shitless. Check out my site (link posted above) or the Minimizer's shrinking site (link also above) and head to the art/drawing sections. You should see work that is kinky, imaginative and even beautiful. I hope you look more into it before jumping the gun, it really is a fun fetish :)
     
  6. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not looking to 'jump into' anything. It all sounds jolly strange to me.

    I'm assuming that you're claiming to be one of these women. What size are you claiming to be?
     
  7. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Nevermind
     
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  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I got a baby bottle hugger years ago. After I found out what a furry was, I never looked at it again without giggling hysterically.
     
  9. Jitensha Registered Member

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    To Redarmy, I do claim to be a woman who likes SW, but I'm not a weirdo who parades around thinking they're something they're not. I'm 5'4, thats my height. Now if you're asking what my preferred height as a shrunken woman would be, than yes, around 6 inches is good for me. I was speaking in the "first person" to try to prove a point...it really isn't that rare of a fetish, you'd be surprised how many people are into size change fetishes. I dare you to go on youtube, or hey...even google and type in GTS or Giantess (the opposite of SW, another size change fetish) and see how many hits you'll get. I bet you'll be surprised.

    To Xev, I am a real person o_O; if not then it would be weird that no one is typing this...lol, no seriously, you shouldn't play. It's not like I enjoy, am proud, or even asked for this fetish...I don't know why I'm into it, but I can't orgasm without thinking about these scenarios. It's not something to laugh about, I truthfully find fetishes to be a disease, not letting us live normal sexual lives. And if you think SW is disturbing, than you don't know anything about fetishes. I think SW is a lot nicer than guys who fantasize about having sex with corpses, balloons, robots and the like. I really don't think it's that out there, SW is just another form of domination play which is a really widespread fetish.
     
  10. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Jitensha, thanks for the reply. Well, you seem very nice and normal. You also seem to quite like talking about this - an enthusiastic.. microphiliac, I believe the word is. And yet, for all your apparent readiness to discuss it, you say that it's a 'disease' that stops you from being sexually normal. So: is it a disease that you're happy to live with, or would you rather you didn't think this way?

    You should ignore my earlier comments - I was being offhand. :) I'm pretty broad-minded really, and aware of many of the weird and wonderful fetishes out there (most of which, I know, are perfectly harmless). This is a new one on me though, and it is a little strange. I'm not really disturbed by it though, more intrigued than anything else. I think it's cute in many ways and I can certainly see the appeal, from both points of view. I don't think Xev agrees - she seems to think that you're setting back the cause of all womanhood or something by portraying yourself in such a powerless way. Of course, we both know that's utter rubbish, but what can you do. Just don't take any of her nonsense (but do watch out for her illegal ninja moves).

    Couple of questions to finish with:

    1. Bit of background info. Age, if you'd be so kind, and what country are you from?
    2. And finally... what's the weirdest fetish you've heard of? I know of a corpse-related one that's so disgusting I honestly think I'd be violating the bounds of decency by even describing it here. But I'm intrigued about the balloons and the robots - you seem to put these on a par with corpses! They're surely not that bad?
     
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  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Current research shows that people are often miscast in real life:
    http://www.motherjones.com/photos/the-anime-within/?src=email&link=hed_20071112_ts1_The Anime Within

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  12. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    I blame Marx. He promised us that there would be no more painters, but only people who "among other things, also paint"; that we would hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening and be critics after dinner.

    We now know he was lying. Allotted costumes/person: 1.
     
  13. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    For Walter Mitty? I blame Tyler Durden:

    "We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact."

    Really? Because I read the wiki link. They're talking about getting off on thinking about women so small that you can....tear them apart with your penis, or on thinking about eating tiny women, or about dismembering women after shrinking them. I think most people would be disturbed and revolted, even without the feminist aspect.

    Maybe you live in some colony of Sadean libertines?

    And, thanks to this crap, I can't appreciate how delightfully weird Hand Maid May is. Now I have to be creeped out by subtext.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_Maid_May

    As opposed to a troll.

    Alright then I was flip, I apologize. But why would you speak in more or less glowing terms of something that you're ashamed of?
     
  14. Jitensha Registered Member

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    To Redarmy, I don't know if I'm going to regret this later, but here is a link about fetishes.
    youtube. com/watch?v=N1SqQMfBdtw
    This guy is a big prick...and he doesn't at all try to sympathize with people with weird fetishes. At least here you can see what people world wide get off on lol. About weird Fetishes, it's all in the eye of the beholder. Somethings that are weird to me might not be so for others. Google around and see what you find. I personally think people who get off on balloons popping is kind of strange, only because I hate the sound, but I'm sure they have their reasons for liking it. By the way, if you guys thought furries were weird, there are SW/GTS furry sites. They're not the most popular, but they are around.

    I would like to thank you for being understanding Redarmy. Its really important to me when I can tell someone a secret I used to be ashamed of and they can accept it. So far the few people I have told in RL have accepted it and support me (this being my boyfriend, who appreciate greatly, and my cousin who is a fetish queen herself lol). The only other person I told was a friend who ended up constantly making fun of me and making strange comments about me in front of other friends. He didn't tell anyone else, but I'm sad to say I don't speak with him anymore.

    Currently I'm 20 years old, and 21 in 3 months. I was born and raised in the USA, and still living here. On the forum I visit regularly we have people from ages 14~15 to as old as their 50's (from what I know). Most of us are Americans, Australians, British, with a mix of some few French, Japanese and other members who can speak some English. SW is not specified to one place, on the contrary I'm sure there are SW lovers in almost every country in the world, I'm just not sure how to find SW pages in lets say...German o_O;


    To Xev, I'm surprised an intellectual like yourself would take anything from wikipedia to heart. Most people that I talk with on the subject are rather gentle with an SW and never hurt her. If you want to get violent, then visit the VSW board as I posted above. The most popular SW board is minimizers (link also above) which condemns any such act of killing or mutilating any SW in art, story or any media. Breaking these rules can lead to posts being deleted or banned from the site. There is a reason why there is a whopping 2,100+ members to minimizers forum, and about 800 on the VSW board in comparison. Minimizers also receives a much higher volume of daily posts, compared to VSW which is rarely the showcase of new topics, art, and stories.
    In truth, you would be surprised how many people on Minimizers bring up purely wholesome topics. Many of our members are just happy spending time with a giant companion to protect them, give them attention or take care of them. A good number of members don't even like to bring up sexual topics at all! I personally do, but like I said, thats my own personal preference. Some girls like the attention, some guys like to give the attention or just protect something tiny and cute. I'm in it for that, as well as the darker side. I enjoy being treated as a sexual toy, in sometimes cruel (not deadly!) ways, but in most cases thats how domination fetishes work anyway.


    By the way...I don't know what you keep brining up when you're calling me a troll...is it supposed to be funny? I'm not sure. I keep thinking about those cute wish trolls with the long pointy hair XD

    It's hard to explain why I would defend SW when it's something I hate. It's a love hate relationship. Think of sex for a devote Christian. You know that sex is a sin (if not used for reproduction), but you love the feeling so much. You want to let yourself be happy over sex, but you feel guilty because you like it.
    This is the same scenario for SW. I like it, because to me it's natural to like it. It's burned into my brain, as I had stated before, I need it to orgasm (as does anyone with a fetish need to act/think about their fetish to orgasm). On the other hand, I hate it because it allows me to not have a normal sex life. Do I regret liking SW? Partially yes. I wouldn't mind just 'liking' SW, but having it as a fetish can really hurt a relationship, especially when you're partner is not understanding of your fetish.
    Luckily for me, my boyfriend is very understanding, and although he supports me with my fetish, I feel guilty for pushing him into something he doesn't usually fantasize about. We try and mix and match so I can keep my fetish and he can still enjoy it to. I know someone will probably ask, so I'll give an example. Some things my boyfriend enjoys doing is getting a BJ (as most men do) or ejaculating on my face. In one scenario, he will tell me he's going to shrink me, and as I go below him, he tells me (his now shrinking slave) to pleasure him with my mouth. Done deal. Another scenario is that we both begin to masturbate. He stands above me on the bed (giving me a shrunken perspective) and allows me to finish first, than ejaculating on my face. We both leave happy. Do I wish I could just have normal sex games, or regular thoughts racing through my head during sex. Why yes, of course I do, but until I can get money to talk to a shrink (no pun intended), and find out why I'm so fucked up (mentally and sexually) than I just have to live with it. Just like those people (above) who like to cosplay as anime characters (which I like doing too, but not for sexual reasons), I live a normal life. I'm not an abnormal, I have plenty of friends, and I stay clear away from the 'crazies' I find often in Japanese animation clubs and the sort. I hope these answers helped you guys out. If you have any more questions, let me know.
     
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  15. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Why do you hate it, then?

    I mean, I have friends who are into bondage or S&M, yet we've hooked up and had perfectly wholesome sex....or not, but we can certainly adapt to different situations. And jesus, you're defensive. People are mostly useless: why give your sense of self-esteem over to them?

    Anyways, this still gives a weird subtext to some animes that previously seemed safe. Just don't screw with fullmetal alchemist, ok?
     
  16. Jitensha Registered Member

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    I hate it because it over powers my sexual desires. It's not like I go in to having sex thinking "Hey let me dress up like a nurse today", "Hey lets try the strap on", "Let me tie you up", etc. Yes I might do those things, but behind every orgasm creeps my fetish. I would just like one day to have fun with my boyfriend and not worry about SW. You shouldn't worry about my self esteem, I don't let problems bother me. The only person who I care about (when it comes to personal problems) is my boyfriend, and he has been only supportive towards me. I wouldn't' say anything about FMA either, its one of his favorites :p
     
  17. Kidu Adan Registered Member

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    YO Jitensha You seem like an SW Role Player if so where do you RP I've been currently trying to find somewhere to rp at!
     
  18. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    :roflmao: greatest first post ever.
     
  19. Jitensha Registered Member

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    I only RP with my boyfriend, he's pretty good at it too, but I know some places where us weirdos congregate :)

    You can try sites like the-minimizer or process-productions forum

    or is you are more into a little bit of rough housing try the violent SW board :)
     
  20. Enmos Moderator

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    That's pretty sick.
     

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