Judaism become stagnate in promoting monotheism

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  1. spidergoat

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    Jews had to live within foreign cultures, so they learned to keep their religious feelings to themselves, so as not to offend anyone. Christians for the most part lived in Christendom, so speaking out wasn't a problem. Jews didn't have the luxury to promote Judaism.
     
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  3. arauca

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    It is an interesting point . The first Christians were Jews , they did not go under name Christians , I remember reading the called them self " the Way "
    Then latter they were called the Nazarene, In the minor Asia the name Christians appeared .

    In the Greek world during Romans the Jewish community was free and not persecuted , Even in the 9 century there was no persecution. Along the Silk road China ti Armenia . Because of conflicts between Christians and Islam Some of the people in the region were converted to Judaism to do business with both ( Muslim an Christians ) and peace was preserved .
    I have the impression, the bad felling started , when Jews were favored by Muslims during the occupation in Spain, Latter on come the Inquisition.
    And from then on the persecution continued .
     
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  5. kx000

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    Exactly. It matters not what you believe, because even if there is one man left with faith, I, God will send the Son regardless to cleans the world.
     
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    unbaned??? That last comment was a test comment, I though I was banned.

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  8. GeoffP

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    Interesting point.
     
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  9. arauca

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    In reality what is the difference between Judaism ( Reform ) and Christianity
     
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  10. GeoffP

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    A belief in Christ as the Saviour of the souls of men and the Son of God, and of the Trinity. (Some variance within Christianity generally, mind. Ask the same question two thousand years ago and see what answers you get.)

    But why the question? I'm not sure of your point.
     
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  11. kx000

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    Jews don't accept Christ as their savior.. for good reason, no noticeable change was delivered. Jewish people will rebuke when he rises again.
     
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  12. gmilam

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    I didn't know it was possible to "opt in" on being one of the "chosen" people... :bugeye:
     
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  13. Michael

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    I wonder if there's a book on religious memes and how they propagate?
     
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  14. arauca

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    Sense they were chosen there had to be an objective to do something
     
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  15. arauca

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    Yes. the teaching if the Torah and the New testament
     
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  16. spidergoat

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  17. gmilam

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    If I'm reading it right (Genesis 17) Abraham gets to have a lot of descendants and land - and as a sign of this deal, all of his male descendants have to be circumcised... So basically, it's foreskins for the Middle East.
     
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  18. arauca

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    I heard an interesting comment : Every time a middle east man goes to urinate he will remember there is a covenant .
    Certainly it is very clever remainder
     
    arauca, Oct 11, 2011
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  19. gmilam

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    Sounds like a rather warped request to be coming from the creator of the universe. (Who supposedly designed the foreskin in the first place.) :bugeye:
     
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  20. arauca

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    Is designed to be cut off. If there would not be foreskin then what else would you do for a good remainder
     
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  21. Fraggle Rocker

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    Well then why don't you tell me what the Covenant is? Quite a few members of my family were/are Jewish and I've been told that the Covenant was an agreement between God and the Jews: he agreed to lead them out of Egypt and they agreed to spread his word throughout the world. They were the chosen people: chosen by God to be his messengers. They failed to uphold the agreement and he has been punishing them ever since.

    God had to send down two more prophets to make sure the job was done right. I suppose three if you count Haile Selassie/Ras Tafari Makonnen, since Rastafarianism is clearly also an Abrahamic religion.

    Well hell, four. There's also Joseph Smith.

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    The first Christians lived in the Roman Empire, which was not yet "Christendom," and they were not well treated, and in fact often persecuted severely. Yet they zealously proselytized their new religion. Emperor Constantine converted (for reasons unclear to me) in the 4th century, and eventually Christianity was established as the state religion.

    So the first step toward the global dominance of Christianity occurred at a time when "speaking out" was indeed a very big problem.
    There are a hundred answers to that question. One I find useful is that Christianity is essentially a religion of doctrines, whereas Judaism is essentially a religion of laws. In order to be a Christian you have to believe in the Trinity, for example, and if you sin you can be forgiven. But (especially in the Reform congregation) you can be an atheist and still be counted as a Jew so long as you follow the Law. Another key difference is that Christianity, while stressing the importance of good deeds on Earth, has a strong focus on Heaven and a Christian's priority is to live a life that will take him there (this is similar to Islam, although Islam has an even stronger focus on Heaven, which is the fatal flaw that allows suicide bombers to believe they are doing God's work because the victims will all be sorted out by God after they die so no harm is actually done)--whereas Jews focus almost exclusively on mortal life. Christians worry about being judged by God. Jews don't believe they will have an afterlife immediately upon dying, but that God will reanimate all the corpses at some distant future time, so they worry more about being judged by their fellow man, especially by their family and business colleagues after they die.
    It is possible to convert to Judaism, it's just not encouraged. A man must be circumcised and take enough training to be able to successfully have a bar mitzvah. Not many men do it. It's somewhat easier for a woman, and as I said earlier, since "being a Jew" is only passed down matrilineally, the parents of a Jewish man who marries a Gentile woman often exert great pressure on her to convert, so that their grandchildren will be Jewish.

    If you convert to Judaism, and you mean it sincerely, you are telling God that from this day forward you want him to include you in his "Chosen People" and visit the same misfortunes on you that he deals out to every other Jew on a daily basis, as their punishment for failing to uphold the Covenant.

    But if you're a woman it goes far beyond this. You are telling God that you want him to treat your children the same way, and their children, for all eternity.
     
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  22. AlexG

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    This is a pretty good summary of the convenant with Moses, which is what people mean when they talk of the convenant of the jews with god.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(biblical)#Mosaic_covenant

    Judiasm does not, and never has, proselytize. The Jews were chosen by god, not to be messengers, but to keep god's laws and worship god.
     
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  23. arauca

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    Can you answer why God send to Niniva so he will preach repentance . Nunuva was the Assurian capital .
     
    arauca, Oct 11, 2011
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