Jewish fundamentalists at it again. Abusing their women

Or this? Is this mainstream American/Western culture?


http://www.now.org/issues/violence/stats.html

http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/

 

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So that all proves that Islamic law is superior to Western law for women and children?

 

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No it proves that there are a**holes everywhere.

 

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sam and Bells,

you have yet to show that this awful behaviour is part of western culture (i.e. that it's accepted by all) and law (that husbands that kick their wife for insulting them do not go to jail if charges are brought forward)

i find this one extremely hard to believe. this means that if you pick ANY apartment building in America, and in full half of the apartments there, the guy hit his wife at least once in the past year.

furthermore, assuming that these stats are correct, how much worse do you think it is in these tribal areas?

what is your point anyway? to say "we are bad too"? ok. i agree. there are women who have it pretty bad. but however bad they have it, it's not 1/10th as bad as it is in the Muslim world.

 

So its a coincidence that so many women/children are abused? Even though it is unacceptable?

Also,

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/svfacts.htm


In other words, the reported statistics are not even half of the problem.

Yes, isn't it?

Then you will have no problem getting statistics to back this claim.
Or should we just trust your "feelings" about Muslims?

 

Let's look at it this way, if it was legal to kick the shit out of women in America, then there'd be alot more of it goin' on.

 

Is that your opinion of mainstream Westerners?

 

Oh come on.

 

Exactly.

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Do you think there would be less abuse of women if it were legal?

 

Sam?

 

yes... statistics... i'm sure there are statisticians going around, tent to tent, asking for these savages questions relating to their family honour
oh yes, there is plenty of statistical data!
there's as much of it as there is statistical data about dead statisticians in Muslim countries

it's all my paranoia and Islamophobia... if only i wasn't so damn delusional

i cant link directly to the videos but if u're interested go to www.memritv.org, and do a search of any islamic country re: women. you will find no surprises there.

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well, maybe Bells and Sam will?

 

I think the abuse of women is a power issue in relationships. To decrease it, we need strong family and community ties. Women are far more likely to confide in a friend or relative than to law enforcement.

After living for 5 years in Saudi Arabia, I have come to the conclusion that reports about women in the Muslim world are based on Western concepts of how they believe the women feel. In five years in a city hospital, I saw ONE case of domestic violence and it was where a woman beat up her maidservant.

I am pretty sure that women are abused all over the world, but connecting it to Islam when it is prevalent to equal or greater extent in countries that call themselves progressive is just sheer prejudice.

 

And this proves what?

That people open the Quran to get permission to sleep with their wives?

That they whack them in a friendly manner because the Prophet did so? (btw was the Prophets bedroom being broadcast live?)

Or that abuse in Muslim countries is a hidden matter which is why everyone knows it goes on?

Please give valid support for your arguments, not translations by MEMRI.

 

for starters, it was probably a slave... not a maidservant

the more educated amongst us stupid westerners realize that since women have no recourse, they don't really have any options... and thus are far less likely to report domestic abuse than western women. there are no laws or organizations to help you out, and the Islamic law that the government enforces, that is supposed to protect you, in fact endorses beating women "lightly" (just not in the face). what is "lightly" is open for interpretation

to make matters worse, the husband that gave you the black eye is the only male that is allowed to chaperone you to the hospital. going there by yourself will get you arrested and probably some lashes

and re: "how women feel", considering the wide cultural and legal acceptance of this bullshit, women are conditioned to believe that it's OK

 

Is this an opinion or fact? Please support your assertions.

 

* fact: women don't have legal recourse against domestic violence

* fact: it's illegal in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, other Muslim countries for a woman to leave her tent/house without a male escort who is either your husband or brother or father

* opinion: if a husband beat up his wife, he is unlikely to escort her to the hospital or to a non-existant womans' shelter

* fact: not all battery requires hospitalization

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* fact: it's far worse for women in the Muslim world (re: safety from physical violence)

 

Why not read what Arab women have to say?

http://www.seattlewomanmagazine.com/dec06-4.htm


I worked 5 years in Saudi Arabia and based on my personal experiences with women there (take it or leave it), this is how Arab women are.

 

OMG, the j00z are turning our wimmenz against us!!1

Why then do the Israeli jews have such a low birthrate? In a few decades, arabs will be a majority in Israel. Most Israeli jews are liberal and secular and have a lifestyle more or less similar to Americans.

How'd you come to that bizarre conclusion about feminism in Israel?

 

somebody forgot to inform the Saudi royal family what the Qur'an dictates...

man this is as asinine a reply as when people blame some Muslims for terrorism, some guy says "it can't be Muslims since Islam forbids this and that".

well ok, then who the fuck is Osama?

you posted some woman's opinion. it's not really a rebuttle to my facts/opinion post. can you reply to it line by line? i'd like to see you denying any of it

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