Islamophobia, xenophobia and anti-semitism In the east

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This thread was not started by me and was split off from the original thread.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=76251

My posts until post 37 were part of the original thread.

 

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Just read Western literature on any foreign culture/people for the last 1000 years.

e.g. orientalism with regard to Arabs, Indology with regard to Indians, Stereotypes associated with Asians, Jews, Africans, Muslims.

 

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For this one simple reason: they're always taught that their "way" is better. That they're always "freer" than others. That they're richer, healthier, and happier. That they're the most civilized. That they're the strongest and most powerful. That their way is the modern way - the right way. Other cultures/ideologies are naturally inferior, because they themselves are the best in every aspect.

 

It's not Western culture, it's powerful cultures. It just seems that it's mainly Western culture because we invented mass media and use it the most, so everyone gets to see our views more frequently. Whatever is the dominant culture in whatever region, they always seem to have to put the little guy down to keep their dominance. It's the way the F'd up world works. It's about survival of the fittest and there's only so many resources in this world so people wanna hog em out. Ideologies are just an excuse to rally people to their master's bidding.

Look at the crap going on between China, Tibet, Vietnam, you name it. Look at the crap going on between African nations. Look at all the crap going on between Arabs of different tribes. And on a worldly scale, look at all the crap going on by the U.S. of A. It's all about solidifying power, plain and simple and almost all regions are guilty of it. That's just how this greedy F'd up world is and the pacifists that want to just live and let live tend to be the ones that become victim to it all. Gotta fight for your right to live.

- N

 

Yes SAM why is there such, xenophobia and anti-Christian and discrimination against other cultures and ideologies, in Isalm?


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When the Mongols were dominant, they assmiliated with the Arabs, Persians and Indians and the original natives were not decimated or replaced.

When Japanese imperialism was dominant, they occupied China and Korea (still resented to this day) but did not decimate or destroy the local culture. (although the Japanese are allergic to foreigners in their own lands)

Similarly when Persian culture was dominant they did not replace the existing native Babylonian or Arab cultures.

India has always been a diverse culture.

Now compare that with the Romans, the British/French/Dutch/Spanish and now the Americans.

 

Why is it no one here ever choses to quote the red cross or Amnisty international, 2 organisations which have the responcability to report on things like this under the UN charter IMPARTIALLY

I always find most of the links put on here to be highly bias

 

Yes.

Reality is that in Islam xenophobia and anti-Christian and discrimination against other cultures and ideologies, is the norm.

 

In fact if you look at the globe, the western world has the older civilisations all suppressed or as minorities, while in the eastern world, you find all older civilisations (except Egyptian) still have their roots.

 

Then start a thread about that. We're discussing the treatment of cultures/ideologies by the West - not the other way around.

 

Why, the thread here is about Islamophobia, xenophobia and anti-semitism, and that opens up the discussion to Islams own, xenophobia, homophobia, anti-Christian and anti-semitism, or don't you like being reminded that Islam has a long history of those exact same thing, and it seem that it has done nothing to correct those problems.

In the west we have moved light years away from those problems in the last six decades, we haven't solved the total problem, we still have to deal with human nature, but we are light years ahead of the Islamic community on this.

 

Those root of the eastern world contain slavery, xenophobia, homophobia, and anti-Christian tendrils right down to the bedrock, and are still well fed today.

 

A simple example:

The Mongols ruled over India for 800 years and added to the culture without taking away from it. Under them, India became the richest country in the world. They also ruled over Iran, Iraq, etc but you wouldn't know it.

The Ottomans ruled Arabia, Persia, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine etc for 600 years and they all retained their original cultural landmarks history and peoples.

Those were the two biggest Muslim empires and both were known for their administration, the Ottomans, additionally made a name for themselves in secularism by creating a haven for those oppressed in the west.

Both of them were Asians in origin and adopted the religion, language and culture of the people they conquered.

India after 200 years of British rule was a third world country, broke and starving

The ME after 60 years of Western intervention is before all of us.

 

The reality is that religious ideology is the source of these conflicts. In groups larger than a tribe, how is the feeling of unity maintained? Usually by culture, specifically religion.

 

"They treat other ideologies/cultures with contempt" is not a good counter to people asking you why the West does these things as well. This thread is designed to discuss the anti-semitism/xenophobia/Islamophobia exhibited by the Western culture, and asks to explain why it exists. Saying "you guys do it, too" is simply of no substance and really has no place in this thread. You can say "these things do not occur in the West", and argue your point; however, saying "others do it, too" is counterproductive and immaterial.

Yeah, because you've lived in the "Islamic communities" long enough to arrive at such a conclusion. Any Islamic country which displays such heinous treatment to others is likely due to the direct aftermath of solid Western interference/manipulation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

Mongol Empire

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The Mongols never ruled in India

 

In fact, every Asian empire that occupied (Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Mongol, Ottoman, Persian, Arab) added wealth and culture to the country it inhabited. Every Western Empire created colonies, slaves and poverty, exclusively of the conquered people

 

We only hear the good news from those Empires, because they slaughtered their enemies, every man woman and child.

 

So there are no Chinese or Koreans after the Japanese Occupation, no Indians after the Mongol occupation, no Iraqis, Iranis, Turks, Palestinians, Yemenis, Kuwaitis, Saudis, etc after the Ottoman occupation?