Is this a real science forum?

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  1. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, it looks like the search functionality is generically broken. Hopefully its just a coding or SQL issue and not an actual data modeling error.
     
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  3. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    No, it isn't your business. The forum is privately owned, the owner can do and act as they please and we have no right to know about their actions or intentions any more than I have a right to know about yours. They are providing a service to us, not the other way around.

    But there's no enforcement of that, since the forum isn't in any way official, how would you even have an 'official' science forum, ie one which must act in accordance with science?

    Then you read the forum before hand to get a feel for it. You don't demand things of the owners. Just as a newspaper doesn't have to publish every letter sent to it nor return the ones it does publish you are in no position to expect things of the owners.

    Clearly you have a skewed view of what such behaviour means since you aren't displaying it.

    Should? They should attempt....? Why? The owners can do as they please. If you don't like it go start your own forum. The forum is run as the management sees fit. There's plenty of forums pretending to discuss science when they are full of hacks. There are 'fair and balanced' news channels which are right wing propaganda machines.

    You're in no position to demand anything.

    Speaking as a scientist by education and profession I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't care.

    Part of being a good scientist is being able to filter through noise and massive amounts of information to find the relevant important pieces. Your posts are nothing but noise, to be filtered out and ignored. I don't care where you get your funding, personally I doubt you are even being truthful about all of your previous 'accomplishments'. Either you're delusionally egotistical to spew out all of that or you're a pathological liar. Either way you give no one any reason to want to know how you pay the bills or what accomplishments you have which you assume makes you smarter than everyone here. Most people who work near the frontier of science learn that such attitudes will lead to issues, which makes me think you're more likely a liar. But that's just my experience of science and scientists.
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    In ma opinion they is communist, the whole dang lot of them.
    Always praisin' Obama and his gun nabbin' buddies.
    Don't you see what's goin' on here?
    They're tryin' ter tik oor gerns!
     
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  7. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    The delusionally egotistical choice is the best answer. But I would place more emphasis on the egotistical than the delusional part.

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    My resume is real. I really did work for Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg. And Rob Bottin. And David Hanson. I founded PropellerheadDesign with JJ Abrams, Rob Letterman, and Andy Waisler. I really am working on a PhD in social theory.

    How I present myself here may be very different than how I present myself somewhere else. A discussion forum is different than real life. I don't mind sharing my background when people suggest that I am unqualified to post on this site. I am sorry it seems like bragging. From my end, it is more like "I'll show you mine, you show me yours". I am highly autistic and I am probably way out of line socially. Sorry. I don't mean to put people off (except certain people). But I do think I could make a useful contribution to this site, if given the chance. I will try to tone it down a bit. And I promise to stop complaining. Perhaps we can talk about my issues with the site later, when I am more familiar with it's idiosyncrasies (idiosyncrazies?).

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    You seem to be a math and physics guy. I used to love math and physics. I was in an advanced physics program in high school, run by the University of Illinois. I sat next to Sean O'Brien. He and I smoked pot together. I drew a cartoon of him in the yearbook. He went on to work with Richard Smalley on "buckeyballs".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Smalley

    Sean used to beat me at chess, but I got a higher grade in Physics! It drove him nuts. We both went Lanphier High School in Springfield, Illinois. We both graduated in 1980.

    The thing is, I didn't stay on the physics track. I became fascinated with all things biological when I took BIO 104 at the U of I my freshman year. I don't haunt the physics section because I was never very fired up over quantum physics or string theory in the first place. Sorry. But I will check out the physics and math section on this site soon. I've been told it is good. I may post something on the mathematics of modulation in music. You can check out my math skills on that thread.

    Do you happen to play chess? If so, sign up at gameknot.com and challenge me to game. It is free. I play as futilitist. I've improved since the last time I played Sean. I haven't been at gameknot very long, but here are my current stats:

    Registered: Aug-12futilitist
    Rated online chess games (updated nightly)

    » Change
    Chess rating Won Lost Draws
    Total
    1550 6 (86%) 0 (0%) 1 (14%) 7
    Total games in progress: 4
    Last time online: now
    Average time per move:
    17 hours
    Longest winning streak: 6
    Won Lost Drawn Moves
    Games
    All games: 89% 0% 11% 24 9
    Playing as White: 67% 0% 33% 30 3 (33%)
    Playing as Black: 100% 0% 0% 21 6 (66%)


    "I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we've passed the audition"---John Lennon

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  8. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    do you even know what the phrase "site transparency" means and why it's important?
    explain to us how that would work in finding a banned members posts.
     
  9. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    well it seems i've pissed off someone.
    where's my other post at?
    the post i made immediately before this one went into the cue.
    this post gets posted immediately.

    aside:
    the spacing in quoted posts is still wrong.
    the blank line should go AFTER my reply.

    edit:
    the blank line shouldn't be there at all.
    formatting a post is the posters responsibility.
     
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  10. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    A workaround for the posting bug

    This happens to me a lot.

    Before I post anything, I copy the post into my buffer. If it does not post due to the bug, I simply post something else, like what you did above. Then I go to the edit post button and drop in what I saved before in my buffer. Then I just hit post. This seems to work fine. Later you may have to come back and clean up the extra post that sometimes appears when the mods clear the cue. I just hit the edit button on those, erase the post, and add a note that this is a duplicate post due to the bug.

    I think this is a pretty good workaround until the bug gets fixed.

    But since I can't actually delete the extra posts, it ends up inflating my posting rate significantly. Someone like Syne might try to imply that I was some sort of incessant poster, which is, of course, not true at all. Most of my posts these days tend to be answers to Syne's offensive posts that are aimed at me. And Syne's average posting rate does not reflect his recent stalking of me. He is posting like a maniac lately, and his posts are mainly directed at me. I think he is trying to make me mad enough to flame out and get banned. In other words he is just baiting me. I'll bet he continues to bait me right here on this thread. He'll probably even offer obviously skewed "official" stats to make his ridiculous case. I really recommend that we all just try to ignore him. Perhaps he will get tired and go away soon, although that may be too much to hope for. We'll see.

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  11. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    As LaPorte writes, in the beginning (way back in 1994) when the project was just being discussed, Jeffrey Katzenberg hired four recent college grads, dubbed the “Propellerheads,” who were experimenting with 3-D. The group included J.J. Abrams (who would eventually be called “the next Steven Spielberg”), Rob Letterman, Loren Soman and Andy Waisler. http://www.hmhco.com/content/new-book-says-shrek-was-close-never-being-made

    So either you ARE Loren Soman or your "resume" is part of assuming his identity (identity theft?), as you say here:
    And you have repeatedly claimed Loren Soman dead:
    Either way you have knowingly posted false or intentionally misleading information:
    I. Unacceptable behaviour that may result in a temporary or permanent ban
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    Knowingly posting false or misleading information
    15. The intentional posting of false or misleading information is unacceptable. This includes posting half-truths, i.e. leaving out relevant and known information to give a false impression.
    -Sciforums - Rules, posting guidelines and advice to members



    So which is it? Are you lying about this being your resume, or are you lying about not being Loren Soman? I seriously think not answering this should be ban-worthy at this point.
     
  12. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    You are a great detective Syne. But I don't think this case is very clear cut. I am Loren Soman. I was joking about not being Loren Soman. The joke was aimed at rpenner who seemed to be doing a lot of overly nosey research about me. I suspect that we may know each other from somewhere else, but that he is using a different name here. He seemed to be trying to convince Trooper that I was not to be trusted. I couldn't tell if Trooper was playing good cop to rpenner's bad cop to influence others. So I also made the joke to see how fast he would denounce me. Please read the whole interaction.

    I did not attempt to mislead anyone about any science information. I think that is what the rule is for. I made a joke about myself only. I am under no obligation to give any personal information, true or false, but I am answering you here to clear this up. I don't think that my attempt at humor is a ban level offense. I honestly didn't think anyone would take it seriously. But you did.

    You are a lover of rules, and you constantly quote them to me. Are you a mod in waiting?

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    And speaking of rules, the quote about me you found, above, is from "The Men Who Would Be King". The book is what is known in the business as a whitewash. And the quote is not even accurate! The rest of the Propellerheads were recent college grads. I was not. I graduated in 1986 at age 24. By the time the Shrek project started, I was almost 33. I am now 50 going on 51 on January 24th. All of this information is easily gleened from my resume. Either you can't add or you have just knowingly posted false or intentionally misleading information! So, which is it? Are you unable to add, or are you trying to mislead us? I seriously think you need to answer for this.

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  13. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    You are the least qualified to be making assumptions about the spirit of the rules. True, you are even cautioned about providing personal information, but that is no excuse for providing false information. You should have simply demanded your privacy rather than breach forum rules just for fun.

    False dilemma between an ad hominem and a false accusation. I have not paid any serious attention to any facts about Loren Soman, having just now found out that you are one and the same, so I could not have knowingly posted misleading info.


    Your whole, short post history here has fully demonstrated your lack of integrity. You can make all the excuses you like, but with any real integrity, you would not need to.
     
  14. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    Ignore.

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  15. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, the biased often do ignore the truth.
     
  16. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    if you aren't willing to stand behind what you say then maybe you shouldn't say it.
    why would rpenner be interested in you anyway, he's an egghead and they usually don't go for the philosophical types.
    you don't know much do you.
    every mod here will tell you the rules will be broken before the ink dries.
     
  17. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    It is not clear what the true purpose of a science site is. Is it based on memory and repeat; educational indoctrination for students? Or should it be a more open, like a form of intellectual R&D? An intellectual R&D is where new ideas are presented and/or existing ideas challenged. But since there may not be physical resources to complete hard R&D, one does the R&D with intellectual tools. Run it up the flagpole to who salutes.

    All R&D starts out with an unproven theory, that has at least some logical or empirical basis. But it also starts out not yet proven. Memory or student based science comes after all the R&D is done, and the science has been accepted. At that point, it is safe to memorized it, but one may not be allowed to challenge anything. That make it R&D.

    R&D is much harder because there is no cut and dry answer you can learn or memorize. This makes it harder to moderate. If you have a definitive accepted theory there is a correct way; right or wrong. With R&D, since this is open and may lack proof up front, it is nebulous and exists in the gray areas of science and philosophy. Sometimes, it is easier to dismiss it rather than spend the time needed to understand the esoteric and then participate in development. It is easier to make it go away and stick with memory science.

    Often one is not allowed to challenge memory science, since it might make black and white, R&D gray. This would drag memory science back into R&D, where it becomes more open again.
     
  18. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    Science:

    "We've got all the answers"

    "Wait, we were wrong about that"

    "Now we have all the answers"

    "Wait..."

    Much of established science is currently just wrong. We just don't know it yet. None of it is safe to memorize.

    "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"---Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    And exactly why you have trouble handling any real science. If you believe this then you should stick to posting in the "On the Fringe" section, where "unproven theories" receive less scrutiny or are allowed more leeway.
     
  20. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    Keep memorizing, thread destroyer.

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  21. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    That which does not bear scrutiny is of dubious value to begin with.
     
  22. Futilitist This so called forum is a fraud... Registered Senior Member

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    I'm being stalked by Syne

    Just because you can't understand something, doesn't make it wrong.

    Here's something that bears scrutiny. Why are you always posting at me? Is there some purpose to you stalking me all over the forum? Jeez, I gave you my Asperger's thread you spent so much energy disrupting, whist accussing me of projective identification and wrecking wynn's thread, right after you got done destroying my serious evolution of religion thread. You are so ungrateful.

    You are clearly obsessed with me. You follow me even into site feedback, you're already taking over, and you can't seem to restrain yourself, even a little bit. I have never disrupted one of your threads.

    The only question is, are you psychotic?

    Or are you serving a function?

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  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    All your threads in human science were about aspergers to my recollection.
     

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