Is there a scientific theory that explains the quality of pain in terms of the physical universe?

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Is there is a scientific theory that explains the quality of pain in terms of the physical universe?

Poll closed Jan 18, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. I'm not sure either way.

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  4. The question doesn't make sense.

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  1. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    as Ice implied, there are several scales

    there are also visual analogue and the graphic rating scales as well as behavioural scales like the FLACC Pain assessment tool for children

    some require secondary input and examination of sensory dysfunction in order to evaluate the patient responses

    the actual number used is usually determined by the scale used and the settings it's applied in
     
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  3. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    ???
    I didn't claim here that pain was outside any scientific consideration of it as you assert here. I claimed that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it.
    So, please explain to me how saying as I did that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it implies or is equivalent to claiming that pain is outside any scientific consideration of it, as you just asserted I did.

    And then, there's no point looking at the rest of your post until I'm satisfied that you can read my English and understand what I say.
    Looking forward to reading your prose.
    EB
     
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  5. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Good, then we're home.
    Thanks for this impressively constructive conversation.
    EB
     
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  7. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Easy. We have ten fingers.
    EB
     
  8. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    ...to quote you back:
    there's no point looking at the rest of your post until I'm satisfied that you can read my English and understand what I say.

    You're wanting to run down a rabbit hole of philosophy. (as indicated by your replies and this: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557269 )
    that's fine. you do that if you want.

    but it's not relevant to your request for a Scientific Theory of pain, which has been provided, expounded upon and linked/referenced

    you really should request a moderator move this to a philosophy thread where you can discuss the philosophical implications of "phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it", or "An inherent or distinguishing characteristic; a property".

    Please note that I specifically used your own definitions, quoted verbatim, back to you in replies should you go back in the thread
     
  9. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    To remind you of what you pretend to be responding to:
    ???
    I didn't claim here that pain was outside any scientific consideration of it as you assert here. I claimed that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it.
    So, please explain to me how saying as I did that pain is a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it implies or is equivalent to claiming that pain is outside any scientific consideration of it, as you just asserted I did.

    And then, there's no point looking at the rest of your post until I'm satisfied that you can read my English and understand what I say.
    Looking forward to reading your prose.
    EB
     
  10. Truck Captain Stumpy Registered Senior Member

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    nope. I actually responded to you. no pretending involved.

    to remind you: there's no point looking at the rest of your post until I'm satisfied that you can read English and understand what is being said.

    OP asked and answered
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-3#post-3557115

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557184

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557208

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557213

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...of-the-physical-universe.161431/#post-3555723

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557222

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...-physical-universe.161431/page-4#post-3557237

    what you want to discuss is the philosophical meaning of pain, which is subjective. (demonstrated here)

    perhaps you should request your question thread be moved to a more suitable location.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Hm, what do you think about vision and how reality is holographically generated by the brain from observation of light patterns. Is that also a phenomenon people know outside any scientific consideration of it.

    I'm sure you'll agree that all sensory experiences are experienced by people and fauna, perhaps even flora, outside any scientific consideration of it.

    Paramecia, single-celled organisms, have sensory abilities outside of any scientific consideration.
    The Venus fly-trap has sensory abilities outside of any scientific consideration of it.

    That profound observation is easily reduced to a mere banality....

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    You may want to study up on microtubules which is a "common denominator" in all sentient organisms. They are the logical processors of information from exterospection and introspection.
    https://the-mouse-trap.com/2014/02/01/emotions-and-personality-take-6/
     
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  12. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Screaming starts at 10, it doesn't end there.
     
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  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    All organisms experience pain as something to be avoided - and that's all that evolution requires.

    Next question?
     
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  14. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    If you can't quote what I say and discuss what I say, then there's just no discussion possible.
    Idiotic claim without any evidence. I don't want to discuss anything, I want a straightforward answer to a straightforward question about science.
    You are irrational. This is "General Science and Technology" and my question is about science. There isn't any better place for it.
    Anyway, thanks for expressing your opinions on the subject. I guess I won't get any cogent answer from you so there's no point insisting.
    EB
     
  15. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    That's no answer to my question.
    Thanks for not even trying.
    EB
     
  16. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    And sometimes, people don't even scream. Even beyond 10.
    EB
     
  17. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you think there is a scientific theory that explains the quality of pain in terms of the physical universe?
    Please, also try to explain why there isn't one if there isn't one.
    EB
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I'd be more interested in quality of sex.
     
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  19. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. But don't hold their hand, you'll get some broken metacarpals out of that. (It does make you able to flip an italicized "bird", however.)
     
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  20. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, sex isn't what it used to be.
    EB
     
  21. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    If you hold their hand they can't count to ten so they don't scream.
    I really have no idea what an "italicized bird" might be but I'm pretty sure it's a bold derail.
    EB
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If an specific asset is beneficial to an organism, Nature's evolution and selection will find it and imbue the organism with that beneficial asset.
    As I understand it, the pleasure center of the brain is next to the pain center. They are related experiences.
    Hence the expression; "La petite mort"
     
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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And how does that not answer your question?

    You asked about the subjective quality of pain. Evolution provides pain as a way to warn an organism away from damage. It is subjectively unpleasant as a result.

    How YOU interpret that unpleasant sensation, of course, is up to you.
     
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