Is Stephen Hawking right or not?

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Saint, Jun 16, 2011.

  1. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    I know several billion people who would agree to disagree good sir.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    But they should hardly be shocked that someone would suggest it.
     
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  5. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    Suggesting it sure, say it's non-controversial is just a lie however.
     
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  7. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    This.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Billions of people think that the reason we have seasons is that the Earth is closer to the Sun during the "summer" part of its orbit. However, that belief, even by billions, does not make it true.
     
  9. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    and This.
     
  10. John99 Banned Banned

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    Unexplained because we dont fully understand it does not mean it is supernatural. In the interim call it "evil spirit"? I think that is the wrong direction. Some even embrace this but from what i have read and studied it is always just delusion.
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Wrong.
     
  12. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    if there is really no god no ghost no spirit,.
    thousands of years, millions of people, won't coincidently have similar experiences with these supernatural things.
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Yes they do, it's an artifact of having a brain that sees what it expects to see and senses that can be fooled.
     
  14. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly. There may be a reason, but it has nothing to do with supernatural gods, ghosts, etc.
     
  15. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The multi-universe theory lacks hard evidence, also. This assumption is based on a math loop that is self serving. This math loop has a relgious character, since it proves itself, while lacking the hard data. One is required to use prestige of his position to bow and then conform.

    There are a few soft spots within the scientific method, where the scientific method breaks down. Some science religions make use of these loopholes to trick everyone into thinking rational religions are science.

    This above math loophole is based on generating special effects with math. The picture below, shows an artwork called the stairway to nowhere. This stairways appears to constantly go up or down depending on the direction. This can not occur in 3-D reality, but can appear to occur when it is drawn on a 2-D plane. Reality is 3-D while 2-D math functions can be used to approximate 3-D. This can be very useful. Unfortuneately, this loophole, also allows one to create 3-D illusions that appear to work in 2-D but not in 3-D (hard data). Religions can make use of this; use science to prove what is not real.

    The way the illusion works, the stairway to nowhere is analogous to a plot of data on the (x,y) axis. Instead of simply equations to define this complex picture, it may require functions to help fill in the volume. When all the math is ready and plotted, we created an illusion. It looks real on paper (2-D) since it all adds up perfectly. But don't try this in reality. Religion appears when we worship the incredible stairway.

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  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That's quite an elaborate straw man you are building there! No one accepts the multi-verse as scientific fact. If the math supports it, that is evidence in it's favor, but not conclusive proof.
     
  17. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Easy to say, but most people who do not believe ghost do fear ghost.
     
  18. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    S.H says a universe of different physical laws is possible to exist.
    We are only 1 in 10^500 probability.
     
  19. Vulgaris Registered Member

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    heh, asking if someone is right about a subject which no one can provide any evidence for is.. well, I guess we can leave it at "what do you wan't to believe?", and let it go with that. That's it.
     
  20. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    if multi universes is true,
    then Christianity and Buddhism can both be true.
    Each got their own heavens or paradises.
     
  21. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

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    if god made us perfect why is it that we and everything around us evolves? wouldnt that in itself be a evidence that this universe was here long before we came to and will be here long after were gone?
     
  22. kowalskil Registered Member

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    Spiritual world evidence is based on spiritual evidence; material world evidence is based on material evidence.

    Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
     
  23. kowalskil Registered Member

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    P.S.
    Each of us lives in two worlds, spiritual and material.

    Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
     

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