Is Punching A Nazi OK?

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    To: DaveC, Dr Toad, Truck Captain Stumpy

    re: Basic definitions

    Quite simply, Truck Captain Stumpy compared transgender to Nazis. As I reminded↗:


    • No, it is not okay to punch someone because they're a Nazi

    just like it is not OK to punch someone if they're ....​

    Now, then, please see ... a dictionary:

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    : a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses)

    Your turn: You have anything resembling evidence to support anything resembling an argument, or are we stuck redefining words to accommodate your needs?

    Something about, "What the hell is wrong with you?" goes here.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Right. But note the operative word "expressions". That implies action.
    It is wrong to punch someone for their ideology. But it is less wrong to punch someone for certain expressions of their ideology. Such as hate speech or verbalt threats, etc.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I have pointed out several times now that putting many otherwise unrelated things in a group is not a comparison.

    Unicorns are white. Skeletons are white. They fit in a broad group of white things.

    This does not mean that unicorns are comparable to scary things that frighten childen.

    TCS made a broad category of people with personal traits (Nazis, Republicans, Christians, Transexuals). Anything in that category (no matter what flavor) is not to be punched.

    Stop tilting at windmills.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Welcome to the club.

    So what are your criteria for "ok" nazi punching?
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    So ... redefining stuff to accommodate your needs, then.

    I have pointed out a dictionary definition. Apparently you need pseudo-literacy (or is it #AltDef?) in order to support your crackpottery.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But making a comparison between everything in a group and one other thing is.

    We're talking about when it's ok to punch a "nazi". If somebody draws a parallel between that and a discussion of punching someone because they are - say - transgender, there are two ways of taking that: the immediate and literate take, from the structure, is that they are offering the opinion that it might be ok to punch a "nazi" if the nazi is transgender. Clearly that is not what was meant. The other take is that they are positing an equivalence between being a "nazi" and being transgender, and arguing that any circumstances justifying punching the one would also justify punching the other.

    Do you see anything a little odd about that?
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You are applying the act of comparison to the wrong object. See the unicorn/skeleton example.
     
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  11. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    it's your argument. you brought it up
    or did you miss that in the above?
    Right back at ya!
    don't you think it's fair?
    When I post something like that argument, I say different things than when I post something else, such as observations of what just happened. It's called "language" and "meaning" - look into it. start here: http://www.readingbear.org/
    if you're going to argue the syntax of the legal document then i suggest you also include precedent to validate your argument with something other than your opinion
    otherwise you're talking about what you, personally, think the law should state, while not actually comprehending what the law states
    thanks
    this is called a subjective interpretation of events and as such is not considered anything but your opinion
    moreover, this does not in any way change the argument of the legality of shooting blacks, or even the legality of using race as a justification for feeling threatened
    it is still illegal per 18 U.S. Code § 249
    it's not a debate, nor is it a matter of interpretation
    unless, and only unless, you can provide precedent and supporting evidence from not only case history and the law, but also from studies of the statistics freely available from various government agencies covering crime and the census
    please show the requisite physical evidence... you know, where it stated in the review as well as the investigation
    you're making a claim about the situation, now i will ask for the evidence that specifically demonstrates your claim
    if you're referring to the Brown/Wilson DOJ document, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that substantiates your claim
    if you're referring to Martin/Zimmerman then you still haven't presented evidence that is not subjective, like the DOJ document

    therefore you're wasting your time and everyone else too
    blatantly false claim and big fat lie
    if you utilise race or any of the others mentioned per 18 U.S. Code § 249 as a justification for threat or even violence, it is against the law and prosecutable under multiple statutes, including but not limited to 18 U.S. Code § 249
    get that through your skull... it's not rocket surgery. it's really simple.
    if you attempt to justify it with race, you're commiting a hate crime
    period
    full stop

    as i told Tiassa, take it to any prosecutor and get them on the record. they will state the same thing.
    I will bet money on it
    care to take me up?
    again: it doesn't matter.
    if your justification is due to race, color, religion, or national origin, actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, then you are committing a hate crime and prosecutable under the law
    only to a sufficiently trained and well paid lawyer with experience that you don't have... and that is debatable too
    then get a prosecutor to go on the record and prove it to me
    please
    make sure it is in writing so that you can get the idiot debarred
    it is if your justification is due to: race, color, religion, or national origin, actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability
    then prove it to me with something other than your opinion
    and again: if your justification is due to race, color, religion, or national origin, actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, then you are committing a hate crime and prosecutable under the law
    period
    full stop

    why can't you understand that?
    it's not like i haven't already proven it to you... all you have is 3 examples that you are interpreting
    and one of those examples you are misinterpreting intentionally

    fighting words are not the same thing as a threat due to race, and it's not my argument, nor is it the argument i've continually posted about
    don't change the goalposts again



     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Let's not lose sight of the actual list:
    How many possible states-of-being for a human would have to be listed with you insisting he thinks they're all repugnant?
     
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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Truck Captain Stumpy: do you think transsexuals are comparable to Nazis on the scale of agreeable vs. repugnant?
     
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  14. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    Tiassa
    AKA i-MOD
    quote simply, you're a liar. a big fat liar.

    for starters, i did not in any way use a similie. i made a list based upon this list: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249
    Transgender is listed with the following
    since you can't read well, let me explain that list to you: transgender is listed with religion.

    as such, listing transgender with "christian; republican; democrat; moonie" is the exact same thing as the list on the federal statute.
    see it here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249
    i just quoted it - i just proved, again, that you're a blatant lying POS troll redefining stuff to accommodate your needs

    the try reading the law and quit blatantly lying
    more importantly, the only one equating or comparing transgenders to nazi's is you!
    - and you're attempting to bait/troll into a flame war

    just because you can't read doesn't mean you should not try to learn - try this link: http://www.readingbear.org/

    .


    to both you illiterates: if ya don't like it, file a complaint with the federal statute
    maybe you can get a class action lawsuit
    why? because i took the list directly from them


    AAAAaaaahahahahahahaha

    had you taken the three seconds to even peruse the link i provided you would be able to see that for yourselves!

    so either yall can't read or you're ... let me quote @i-MOD... "redefining stuff to accommodate your needs"
     
  15. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    nope
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    What you quoted, verbatim there, was not my argument. You said it was, apparently because you have no idea what I - or anybody here - is talking about. Why that still is, after all this repetition, I can only speculate.
    Already done - three or four examples of precedent, actual decisions by legal authority.
    Except for certain circumstances in which you felt threatened or otherwise perceived the situation differently largely because someone was black. As we see in the selection of examples, drawn from the many hundreds available in the newspapers.
    The OP is about punching "nazis". I use my posting here to address the OP. If you don't like that, too bad.

    To join the chorus: What is wrong with you?
     
  17. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    wait... so, you are now equating actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin with nazi's?

    for starters: a literate person would be able to spot the above is a quote directly from
    18 U.S. Code § 249

    for two: the only equating being done is Tiassa . then there is the other other blatant lie about similie. it is not a similie to produce a list and use a specific in said list instead of a general description, as i did above with
    18 U.S. Code § 249

    why am i making sure it is bold and large?
    to get your attention

    there is no equating
    there is no similie
    there is a list taken from 18 U.S. Code § 249 where i used a specific name (transgender, christian, republican, democrat, moonie) instead of religion and gender, sexual orientation, gender identity.

    yall are the ones attempting to make this about your delusions now... and it's very telling as to your biases and neurosis
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    From nowhere in my posting did you get that.
    You get dropped on your head, or what happened?
     
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  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No. Quite the opposite.

    You did. Explicitly. Hence my point, above.

    You guys all get dropped on your heads? This jackass routine is getting dumber by the minute.
     
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  20. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    gonna answer this first:
    you made a statement
    i quoted you verbatim
    anyone can check that by simply using CTRL+F and the quote
    i showed you the list
    it's the same list i've used from the beginning... it's a federal statute that proved you lied about the legality of shooting blacks
    it aint changed

    .

    now to the rest of your lies
    now you're intentionally blatantly lying becuase i took it verbatim from the following: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is-punching-a-nazi-ok.158810/page-6#post-3435694
    so, per your request: you're a "dumbass and I deny it"
    and you can't deny it because i quoted you, you can follow the quote to your own post, and you can't state with any evidence that it is not what you said
    no, i used your words, so it is your own argument
    by all means - follow the link and actually read your own post!
    i dare ya - because it's all there linked
    even an illiterate could do that much - it's just a mouse click away
    per your request: "dumbass and I deny it"
    one DOJ document from me
    you have no evidence that isn't your opinion
    otherwise you would have linked it
    per your request: "dumbass and I deny it"
    the law specifically states that if you use actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin then you are committing a hate crime
    it is in black and white here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249
    so you're lying
    again
    per your request: "dumbass and I deny it"
    sigh... are you stupid?
    and again: the law specifically states that if you use actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin then you are committing a hate crime
    fighting words are different in that they give extenuating circumstances for the violence
    not always an excuse, mind you, as they still may be prosecuted for assault and battery, and the fighting words, if they are regarding "actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability, actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin" then they, too, are classed as a hate crime

    deal with it.

    did you two get dropped on your heads? This jackass routine is getting dumber by the minute.
     
  21. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    at this point it's about bullying, really

    they want us to capitulate
    i won't
    Tiassa (i-MOD) lied, iceaura lied, they're attempting to flood with stupidity at this point, or attempting to get people riled to file reports based upon their delusional beliefs
    and yet, if anyone actually read this link ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249 ) they would see that i took that "list" directly from 18 U.S. Code § 249
    it's not a similie
    it's not a comparrison
    it's a list from 18 U.S. Code § 249

    why is that so hard for them to understand, i wonder?
    but then i remember: this is a crusade for Tiassa and her echo chamber cronies
    it doesn't matter if it's fact - only that we get "put in our place" for daring to challenge the great, high and mighty i-MOD
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Done.

    The confusion has been eradicated via explicit clarification.


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    Time to move on.
     
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  23. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    you do know they will not drop it, right?
     
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