Is Immortality Possible?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Hypercane, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    The mind is not genetically programmed: it is the sum of one's lessons and experiences since birth. (Though it may be that some basic aspects of one's temperament, and one's innate IQ, are set by genetics). Recreating the body from a DNA template will not reproduce the mind - any more than building a new computer from the blueprints of an old one will automatically duplicate all its software and hard disk data.

    That said, the information stored in a computer can be duplicated easily. One day, the same may be possible with human brains. Though this is far from certain - for all we know at this time, each individual brain may have its own unique system of neural "encoding" which will have to be deciphered from scratch, like a whole new programming language. Brains are undoubtedly far less standardized in design than machines.
     
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  3. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Is it so? Then, what is the problem in getting the immortality?

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    Btw, which body cell we take for cloning?
     
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  5. Starthane Xyzth returns occasionally... Valued Senior Member

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    In theory, any cell which has a full genome: the only ones which don't are red blood cells and eggs or sperm.

    There's no current theory, however, which would allow a cloned human body to grow any faster than a normal baby. It would take 18 years or so to reach physical maturity - if you wanted a new body ready and waiting for when your current one expires, the clone would have to be brought up just like your child. In other words, he (I assume you are male, Kumar) would have a fully-developed mind & personality of his own. Transplanting your mind into him would effectively mean killing another person - or, at best, giving him multiple-personality disorder!
     
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  7. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting, Something God has kept with him.

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    It means all or most that we have in mind is just current life-time's 'environmental' effects not genetic. Anyway, we can be taught the same & I think learning it may be easier in cloned person than his children. DNA template: is it similar in all body cells other than as you mentioned? Had we tried brain cells?
     
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  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    As I tried to explain during each conception of individual child different genetic material of mother and father are combined. No sibling will therefore ever be the same.

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_3.htm

    identical twins are bascially natural clones and there genetic material is the same. And even though twins are raised in the same environment they do not have the same mind. This should suggest that you cannot clone your mind.
     
  9. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Not all environmental changes have an effect. You assume here that pH does. you would have to establish the effect and in this case I postulate that they will be negible.
     
  10. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is, the clone is not YOU!

    When u kill yourself u will experience NOTHING, the black void u "experienced" before u were ever born.

    The other clone will however continue to exist and do the exact same stuff u used to do

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  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Ok if I were to extract your consciousness while your sleeping then kill your body, who is to say the extract is not you?
     
  12. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks. The above indicates that each genetic material of every person is differant. In other words all sperms or ova are differant as evident in identical & fraternal twins. Can we say that each genetic material is differant but cell's DNA not, since they make similar trait clone by every cell in body. Is it ok? Btw, is there any role of blank egg(Egg minus female genetic material) in the development of personality trait or environmental/phynotype?
     
  13. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Does the body's pH changes when we are exposed to environmental agents or are in between the above two processes?

    Are the body's pHs changes(including GIT's) heriditory?
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Your obsession with pH change is bizarre.
     
  15. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    We have already tried/searched "everything" or "something" or "most of the things" or "senses" except which looks like "NOTHING" or "ABSENSES" or "NON-SENSES". We may therefore [ONLY] find "SOMETHING" or "OTHERTHINGS" or "SOME SENSES" in them.

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  16. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    That reply is even MORE bizarre

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  17. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    U can't extract consciousness because it depends on the material matter that is your brain!

    Only religious people believe in extraction and they call it "The Soul"

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  18. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    What about this:-
     
  19. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    It is bit technical for me but does it suggest pH effect on mutations?
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    John Connellan,

    we could slice your brain up and record the position of every neuron and synapse, emulate the mapping in a AI and those "extract" your consciousness and memory in a AI, how dare you think I was talking about a spiritual soul!

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    To map and record the entire structure of a human brain in that kind of detail - down to the direction and intensity of the ionic gradient across every axonal membrane - would probably require dozens of man-years work, and more computer memory than half the Internet contains.

    I dare say a computer could cut down the work time required. :bugeye:
     
  22. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Ancient & spritual litretures, mentions memory transfer, cloning, self cloning(just refereshing/reloading) etc. So some logic or chance can be thought. But even if, brain memory is copied & tranferred, people may still like his origional body or not like to leave it.Cloning with mind & without mind then make no much differance (even cloned entity can also be taught all or most). We may therefore, have to much concentrate on immortality or longevity or self cloning/cloning within. How much & what the regular & continious practice of deep or deepest positive & specific thoughts with fullest concentration(self hypnosis type) for long time can do in getting somewhat self or cloning with-in?

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  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    The combined data alone would be equal to a couple thousand terabytes, nothing a computer several decades from now could not handle.
     

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