Is ESP real?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    That was my point, yes.
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    do you. you don't care for the meaning of art unless it's drawn from literal objects. metaphors are real. it's a representation/mirror/construct just like your house. one could say your house is not real, it is concrete, plaster, wood, glass etc or further down molecules, atoms, quarks etc.
     
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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Nice strawman there.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    If, as you say, the material world is all there is, then everything is an equal product of it.
    Why would you disregard fantasies that can only be experienced in one person's mind?
    How does anything mean anything to you, if you disregard this aspect?

    jan.
     
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  8. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Prove that.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Prove what?

    Jan.
     
  10. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Did you read my post?
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    If every thing is material, then everything is governed by it's nature, which is umbrella'd by matter. How is everything not essentially equal?

    Jan.
     
  12. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I don't do woo. Got anything else?
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Are you sure?

    Jan.
     
  14. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    You really have to try harder. I'm 66.6 years old.
     
  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    how did she know that the chandelier would fall? that's the problem with most premonitions or visions, it just gives you a glimmer or clue but not enough to know when or how most of the time to change it

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    this is one person's speculation to get their wrap their mind around it. what is insinuated is an empathic connection.

    my intuition is telling me that this incident was not coincidence but some form of knowing that she did get a glimpse of the future.

    but the technical side of me realizes if this can be, then it opens up a lot of implications about reality we don't know such as time and even souls. did she have such a connection to her granddaughter before she was born that she saw that her demise was going to be the chandelier falling on her? or also, is this an issue of our understanding of time (what's behind the curtain) and why can we see it sometimes if it hasn't occurred yet? i would speculate that it was her subconscious kicking in to tell her as a warning but unforunately it couldn't provide all the information she needed to prevent it, as she assumed it was for her. that is most often (not always though) the case. it's like a clue and you have to be really serious about not taking the clue for granted. this is like your subconscious screaming at you in desperation and your conscious is oblivious. it's terrible to ignore and how ignorant of people to be blind to these things when it occurs or dismiss them.

    this vision was a warning. how tragic it wasn't taken seriously. if the chandelier was removed after she had that vision (instead of mincing about who or when it might happen) that tragedy would have never occurred and she wouldn't have had to witness her granddaughter's death by the chandelier falling on her.

    i know these things can happen and are real because i had a vision that came true years later and i've heard anecdotes here and there from other people of similar occasionally.
     
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  16. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Bulletin: He knew the chandelier would fall because he read the script.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this show is based on actual anecdotal personal accounts.
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    And those are unsupported claims. Just how low is your standard of evidence? It appears to be in negative numbers. Are you completely uncritical of claims that support your own wish fulfillment?
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you are just as or more blind but you assume you know what all of reality ecompasses. intuitives don't know it all either but at least we have a clue that there is more.
     
  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    there has been this constant struggle between my intuitive knowing and physical outer reality all throughout my life. even i could sense, for instance, and had an utter knowing that even the family i was born into was not my real family. that the core or who i really am was not cut from the same cloth. like even though i physically was born into that family, my soul/consciousness is not part of their soul/kindred kind. they are of a different type.

    my mother told me that she had prayed and prayed to have a child that would care for her and i was conceived and she just abused that empathy. even she admitted to me once that i was so sweet and kind as a child. even my aunts and uncles but said it in a jealous bizarre way. i knew deep down they weren't my 'true' family. this is why they would say strange taunts such as i was adopted and i looked into it as an adult to pinpoint if that was the reason for the abuse but it wasn't. also, even my real physical father and something about him is not my father either (spiritually). i had the sense of this physical father having had emulated my real father's traits in this life but with this was a past life connection in some way. even when i met that side of the family, there was no sense of identification at all. it wasn't until i had my son and as soon as i looked into his eyes i saw his soul and it was like mine inherently, finally one of my own kind sort of thing.

    then because of the incongruence between my inner knowing from outer reality, i looked further into the occult for answers because the physical wasn't able to. the reader said that most souls do incarnate as a group but i didn't. she said the cards indicated i was from someplace else and that it wasn't my imagination (that part) but it went further than that. she said it my mother didn't pray for someone (on the spiritual/metaphysical level) with the intent for someone that she loved or for the right reasons and that makes some causal connection because my mother once told me she had seen a wealthy woman with her little girl and she wanted that (envy) and that's when she prayed for a little girl specifically similar to hers and then i was concieved. i was putting all these connections together over time. later in life, i witnessed how she used prayer for very selfish or nefarious motives and even witnessed a strong paranormal event that was directly related to it (very negative). my mind was pinpointing exactly what the fuk she was up to.

    even creepier, later, my mother told me that when i was pregnant with my son (she didn't know about my pregnancy at the time and i had been estranged from her) until much later, that she had a dream where she saw me as a little girl and that was that, it was hinting at my pregnancy with my son and not that my son was me but that he is of my kind (spirit/values/morals). she didn't know when she told me but i knew what that meant intuitively.

    i asked the reader about my real family and she said that the family i was supposed to be born into they have a daughter but the father does not know the difference and but the mother senses something she can't put a finger on and moreover at the times i have been in pain, she could sense it from afar. she said even though that's not their real soul child/kindred spirit, they are good people so they are not abusive, unlike the family i was born into but that is also why evil is what is called evil because it was not a fair exchange.

    good people take care of and fair to others, whereas bad people will try to destroy their competition in any way they can with no moral scruples. that's their depraved form of competition.

    i have always had a sense that the web of life is much deeper than this life but even connecting past lives and all the intrigue, drama as well as power plays, jealousies and manipulations that carry forth into the next.

    one of the reasons i know is because my physical mother is someone i absolutely detest in every way possible. she just completely reminds me of an enemy. the type of person you would not even associate with naturally because they have nothing in common with you. even my father preferred my mother over me. i could sense that they were similar too, except he just had more status and money.

    once when i was homeless, this girl i met told me she dabbled in tarot cards once in awhile as a hobby and so she did a reading for me. she said she never saw a reading like that and said her hairs on her arms were standing up. she asked me directly if i was involved in some ritual as a baby. she kept asking me are you sure? i told her no way ( i was young at the time) that my family was christian so they would not do that. she said that something big was going down (behind the scenes not just literally) around the time of my birth and i was in the middle of the situation and a lot was at stake to some people. it wasn't until later i started to put the pieces together. what a strange journey.
     
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  21. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, right.
     
  22. birch Valued Senior Member

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    furthermore, there are some more interesting details. the reader told me my real parents (or who i was supposed to be born to in this life) have a daughter who has many problems but she has no reason for them such as abuse or deprivation etc. she said she is an immorally loose girl who is a druggie, alcoholic, juvenile delinquent etc. this was long time ago so she may have matured. but they didn't know what is wrong with her either. what this means on the metaphysical level was this was my physical family's real daughter or kind, the fake unethical conservative christians. there was a switch and manipulation going on behind the scenes.

    even the man i saw in a vision/dream years before has some connection on the spiritual level with my family who also became powerful in this life. the reader described him as the devil behind the angel and he was also power and status hungry. a wolf in sheep's clothing also. he was on the bottom in the life before this one. she also said i had never reached any high pinnacle or position in this realm ever (i already knew that) because it's not 'ready' yet because there is something beyond conventional ethics we don't compromise which most do and if allowed by evil would be like bringing heaven into this plane. it doesn't mean that there aren't good souls who are at the top here. it's just a different type of good yet common. evil souls know this and that's what makes us unique but also targeted for it. even my friend once commented that she noticed some people were very jealous of me and she said there is just something really good about you that they detect. she was a kindred soul. she couldn't even put it into exact terminology either but she knew as well.

    but on the 'other' side, they are never the ones who reach the pinnacle, my kind do. interesting, isn't it? some souls are even waiting on the other side for the situation to improve in this plane to incarnate. this is why i was put through the ringer but someone has to break the ice. we are the ones that are sacrificed for a greater cause because we are defenders. we want to 'protect' the good ones and more fragile (because beauty and good is) following us into this plane to do their mission in this world because they need it and deserve it.

    compounding this, my physical mother when i told the church that we used to be a member of about the sexual and general abuse that my family inflicted on me, she tried to insinuate that i was crazy or possibly on drugs. this was not said because she knew i was not like that but because that is a good ploy (typical of how people end up when having endured horrendous abuse) so was painting a caricature of me to discredit my believability. can you believe a mother would do that when she knows her daughter isn't actually like that? no, a mother isn't going to do that but she wasn't my real mother.

    even my psychiatrists, psychologists and even minister i told my life story to always commented how they were amazed how i survived without turning to these things because my abuse was really intense and my needs neglected so much. one of my psychiatrists even told me that most people who have even gone through less would have turned to drug or alcohol addiction. i even noticed that with some people who haven't gone through much or even nothing at all. she said some would have ended up in a white room sucking on their thumb with the amount of abuse i endured. i know it was my strong sense of ethics (my enemies were very strong too but not ethical) and holding to it that helped me survive and stay sane.

    that doesn't mean i am better than others but overall that there are many layers to reality. i am human and i did not survive without damages. i also intuitively know that good souls are not derived from this plane of horrendous predation, they come from someplace else. this is a lower plane of existence. they are just here to make things better.
     
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  23. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I'm 66.6 years old, combat veteran in various wars, and I didn't go crazy. Explain yourself.
     

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