Control doesn't mean that you repress them. For example, the sexual energy (life) is a powerful energy, if it could be controlled, transformed, it could serve greater purposes. It's impossible to defeat such an energy because it is a manifestation of "god", so it is as powerful as god... you can't strangle it and it serves little purpose if you just let it out, and if you overdo it, it leads to things like alcoholism. To control energies, we must first know them. Fear can be transformed if we look at it right in the eyes. Instead of letting natural forces to control us, we can control them. Like we used to control lions and other animals to serve us, we can learn control the animals inside ourselves. The zodiac.
you mean sublimation. ie., sublimating 'dark' enegries into 'light'..? all of this--of 'taming the wild beast within' is Platonic dualism. he envsaged the hguman predicament of like a rider on a wild horse, and it is rider reponibility to control this wild horse. sudue it. break it is it surprising then that this attitude of Plato caused him to reate fascistic ideas for a futue republic, ruled by the 'perfect' 'philosopher-kings' like himself? tis should be a massive clue, so as we dont fall into same trap. theunderlying premise behind tis idea of sublimating inspinctual energies is tat they are 'bad'. from there the 'mind' which believes itself superior to the body seeks to CONTROl feelings, energies. to 'higher purposes'------yet, willy nilly this WILDENSS will NOTBE subdued. and when thwarted may manifest as all forms of distorted behaviours like sadism so i recommend full immersion of orgiasm. dont sublimate, EXPERIENCE. you ARE experience
Plato wasn't perfect but Ptahhotep was. Creatures and things lower than humans are also almost perfect (at their specific level) They're not bad, it's just that they can be used for better purposes. The energy which is manifested through sexuality is the link between spirit and matter. Just as sexual energy has helped man out of his spiritual state into the body, so it can help him to return in full awareness to his divine primal state of wholeness... The mind is meant to control the body, not body control the mind. The body is only a tool, it's not ME!! yes!! well, i'm not talking about "thwarting". no... if you experience like that you just become sad and lose all energy... i don't like it. you can have much greater "experiences" if you sublimate! you can come closer to your real self. you can become a better human being, you can become "god"!!! you know.. when you live celibate and never do anything sexual you feel so energetic. because... the sexual energy is life itself. it's an animal. but if it can be controlled, it will serve us with great power. sexual desire is the devil! it took us away from garden of eden. but it can also take us back again!!.. if we stop using it... that way...
I wasn't asking if that was a sin. Just drinking. 0_o You can experience an orgasm with or without drinking, you know. Drinking doesn't make you sadist. It makes me happier, actually.
mt 6:25 'For this reason I charge you not to be over-anxious about your lives, inquiring what you are to eat or what you are to drink, nor yet about your bodies, inquiring what clothes you are to put on. Is not the life more precious than its food, and the body than its clothing?' Don't worry about a bit of booze.
Scriptures repeat the idea in the new testament of the importance of drinking in moderation. We are decreed to drink: 1st Timothy 5:2says, "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. " 1st Timothy 3:8 says, "Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;" Romans 14:12 says, "And he that doubteth [to eat meat] is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." In that chapter, Paul using the example of vegetarians who are offended. But, he is talking about all things. Whatever you do without faith is sin. Whatever you think is okay, have it between you and God, or with people who will not be discouraged. The holy spirit, if it is in you, will guide you. That is the theme in chapter 14. Everything in moderation is not sin, because God made everything. It is overindulgence that is sin. If the thing gets between your worship (which does not mean singing on Sunday), it is sin. That is why cocaine is sin, because it will control you and get in the way of you worshipping God. Above all: Don't listen to the Pope, don't listen to me. Listen to God, no one else can be trusted because humans are fallible.
************* M*W: Please be more specific. Define what the bible means by "2 glasses." What size were the "glasses?" What kind of "glasses" did they use in the days the bible was written? Were the "glasses" a regular cup size of 8 ounces? Could the "glasses" have been more like pots, tumblers, tankards or chalices?And explain what the fermentation process was at that time. Further, what was the alcoholic content of the wine made in those days? "Two glasses" is such an arbitrary amount. How can you be so exact when quoting the bible? Exactly where in the bible does it say "two glasses" was the limit?
MW Wine in Roman times could have had an alcohol content of as much as 16%, but it was the custom to dilute wine with 2-4 parts water, which would have effectively made it 4%-1% alcoholic, or about as strong as a mild to weak beer.
************* M*W: Thanks for the interesting tidbit. Have you researched this area? I guess I'm truly a sinner then!
If ever there was a sin committed, watering down the wine is it. MW: Any time you want to knock back a couple of sins, let me know. I'm thinking of joining Sinners Anonymous but I don't want to give up sinning. As W.C. Fields once said, ' It's easy to quit sinning, I've done it a thousand times. Work is the curse of the sinning class.
Pfffft! Listening to the pope is listening to God in a sense. I'm not saying he's God. OH no no no, I'm just saying that he's like the messenager pretty much. Well I know he knows more then me, lets just say that.
ohhhh they got youuu, thats for sure. 'sexual desire is the devil' no less. well its all comin out now aint it look. th patriarchy Do demonize sexual desire, of course. cause they want control over . over women, and over Nature. they cant ciope with te 'chaos' of uninhibited sexual desire, which includes very much orgiastic expression which is inspired with psychedelic experience the garden myth is the patriarchal demonization of both yer missin out on the fun and joy and ecstasy of of LIFE, love. but as i say, its your life let me ask you agin tho. if as u claim you have so much energy now and are god or nearly god. why do u seem to moan your lot most of the time?
It's you who call yourself that. You turn my words towards you. I have said nothing about you, I have only spoken, to no one. In reality, I'm seprarated from myself (God) because I have become a body. I want to control the body, but the body controls me, that's why I'm so imperfect and evil. Who has a low sex drive? Who's giving up sex? There's nothing bad about the devil, it's the other side of God. Satan is the law of matter. It's a necessary and natural law. Satan is dead as long as it is in matter. The only way the devil can become alive is if man gives his spirit to matter, by obeying the law of matter -- the devil. With his own self, with his life ("God"), he makes the matter alive. He becomes matter, he becomes the devil, 'living' matter. Matter is divine if it stays as matter, but if it becomes alive in a human being, its properties are transformed and reflected in mental living form: coldness, hardness, egoism. Because that's what matter is. It's cold, 'hard' and it draws things towards it. Did you misunderstand the myth? You know that the devil is represented as a serpent, but do you know that Moses lifted up a serpent in the desert and everyone who looked at it were healed? The snake is both the satan and 'God' at the same time. Lucifer. "Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the son of man (the self, Christ) be lifted up, so that whoever believes in him will have eternal life" Of course, if we believe in the eternal self instead of the perishable body, we have eternal life. The serpent is the sexual energy, Moses lifted it up, he directed it towards his brain and it became divine wisdom. How do you know I'm missing it? Because I'm far away from God. Also, I didn't claim to have lots of energy. "I" (my "person") can never become God, only the self IS God. As long as I speak the things I speak of, I have not understood them, I have not united with them. We speak and think of what we want to become. Thinking is a process to become something. If I knew everything, I wouldn't have to think about anything, I would just be. Thoughts took us away from paradise. By stopping thoughts, we return to paradise. We don't think about the things we have mastered.
you were going on about mastering the body, which is asceticsm. it is a demaening atitude towars physicality wit a dream to escapaing it. it is dualistic, and skinny and cold and devoid of abundance.....annnnd i have heard that some Indian ascetics are so incapapble in thie devout need to get somewhere that others have to attend to their bodily needs
You read too much. Let's have another rave, okay? I'll leave the planning to you. You limit yourself by categorizing. I don't belong to any religion. Pauline cultist, gnostic, luciferian... I'm not my words. You misunderstand and jump to conclusions. Mastering the body is done with Yoga, not ascetism. Ascetism is only practiced by primitive people.
of couuuuurse yoga involves asceticism......to such an extent that a practice of meditation called 'one pointed awareness' is part of their belief. this meant focusing on a single point to th exclusion of sensuality........eVEN looking at Nature was discouraged as being to dangerous (dont knw if you've noticed by the shapes of Nature are very erotic, as are all the other delights for sensual receptors)....for Nature was seen as a seductive female--'MAYA'. te desire was to escape her seductive magnetism into a state of pure bliss i feel u share this dream. am i right?
