Intelligence is recent in the history of the Universe

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Willamina Tyndale, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    intelligence would denote ability to create as one aspect. but we didn't create ourselves. besides, the fact there is relative intelligence between individuals, we aren't even 'me' entirely but only a part of what makes us who we are.

    really, if you look at it, it's the cells and bacteria that make us who we are for the most part and they are doing all the engineering work as well as upkeep and maintenance.

    if we had to consciously tell our stomachs the procedural steps to digest food, most would starve because they would have no idea how it's done or it would take too long. or if you scraped your knee or burned a finger, could you consciously tell your cells what exactly to do? no, most processes are done unconsciously so we can hardly (at least most people) take credit for all the work these cells and bacteria do as well as their wisdom. literally, people have little to no idea how it's really done.

    our consciousness is only a fraction of what we are that is 'us' or what we call 'me or i'. yes, most of us are walking buffoons who are dependent on our trillions of cells and bacteria to keep us alive because if it depended on our 'conscious awareness' which is how we measure intelligence, we would royally mess it up because of our ignorance or just be dumbfounded with no idea whatsoever as to the complexity of how our physical selves work as well as how our brains work.

    we are the ones who are most in the dark or just as much.
     
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  3. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    What about the converse? Aren't "our trillions of cells and bacteria" dependent on us "walking buffoons" to keep alive? Do those cells and bacteria have any "idea whatsoever as to the complexity of how their our physical selves work"? Hmmm...
     
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  5. Michael 345 Bali 1 week here 2 to go Valued Senior Member

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    All of the processes have been automated and outsourced to the nervous system in conjunction with the hormone system along with some other systems dragged in

    The bacterium do not have wisdom. Their actions within the processes they are involved in are purely reactive. No thinking or making decisions involved. Impossible to do without a nervous system

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  7. river

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    Dave , really .

    Is this all you have to offer , just blah-blah-blah .
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Tee hee. You spout outlandish fantasies about human history and then reference TV sci-fiction.
    You're torpedoing yourself with no need for help from me.
     
  9. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    If that's a criteria for being silent why do you post?
     
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  10. river

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    From my post#39

    We have no idea when intelligence arose in the Universe .

    But taken from the Babylon 5 SERIES , there are the First Ones .

    There is a truth in both

    Silence by me is waiting for you people to actually understand both statements

    This OP has no idea what is " recent " in the intelligence of the Universe . On what criteria do we compare ourselves to the Universe ?
     
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  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    You really used Babbleon 5 as a reference?
     
  12. river

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    Yes , Babylon 5 is a terrific series .
     
  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    well this is true.
     
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  14. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Imakesupshit.com
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, we can rule out some criteria.
    Let's rule out science-fiction TV as a source for understanding the universe.
    Actually, belay that.
    The rest of us already know the difference between fiction and reality; if you keep confusing the two, we can't help you.
     
  16. river

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    Don't need help , but thanks for the thought !!

    The OP is fiction
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What part?

    I don't think there is a single statement in the OP that is demonstrably fictional. It's more of a thought experiment.

    (Although, frankly I'm not sure what the thesis in the OP actually is.)
     
  18. river

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    True

    But a lousy thought experiment , pointless really .
     
  19. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    "Junk". Look it up.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the OP's thesis is junk?
    It doesn't really have a lot of content. Then again, it doesn't really get up a good head of woo either.
     
  21. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    The inability to get a clear message across would indicate poor thinking, and that usually leads to "junk".
     

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