Intellectual honesty

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  1. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    Intellectual honesty is an applied method of problem solving in academia, characterized by an unbiased, honest attitude, which can be demonstrated in a number of different ways, including but not limited to:

    One's personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;

    Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;

    Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;

    References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided.



    In a thread a person stated something which negated Einsten's equivalence principal. Before that he poked fun at an idea which referenced the outside of a quasar being "like" the outside of the universe, by referencing magical unicorns in an effort to twist his own position on the subject. The other user quickly responded by twisting magical unicorns into Schrodinger's entanglement ideas. The opposing side insulted the user by calling him metaphorically challenged in an ironic sense of determination.

    I don't stand for that type of dishonesty. Especially when I'm being told conservation of energy need not apply. He twisted facts, presented his own personal beliefs in a negative manner and was anything but personable when relaying his references.

    My main complain is personal beliefs from one side interfered with the pursuit of truth, as ideas were given against mainstream that were ill received and dealt with at an emotionally biased manner.
     
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  3. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Science is probably a group who is very competitive, so lots of people lie to get ahead.

    I would just ignore them, find out your own truths in life, as why should it matter to you what science knows anyway. Humans will never answer the big questions, just whats inside there own heads.
     
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  5. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Just find the truth and post it so that you can refute whatever claims were made by the other person. By finding the truth on the internet and providing links to that proof you should use that to promote your cause for truth and be able to throw doubts upon the other persons claims. Never argue but use facts you can verify to support yourself.
     
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  7. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    Thanks. You always know just what to say (;

    By the way don't use wikidepia... It messes with your mind, People think your crazy, then you wake up one day realizing you weren't.
     
  8. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Judging by the fact that most people know nout, how do you prove something that is a fact to science whom know nout too.

    Just because the a majority think something is true does not mean it is.

    The world changed by individuals knowing stuff that most do not. If you listen to science you would think humans did not exist or do anything before science was established.

    Even if your the 1 single person in the world that knows something others do not, its still true, and not false because science says so. Science has always been changed and so many times shown to be rubbish on so many things.

    Science may have its place, but its not the factual database of human kind.
     
  9. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    The problem is still I have to filter through all these misgivings before I accomplish what I really inherently "know". Today's misunderstandings of previously great individuals have grown to an absolutely enormous rate. It truly is depressing to watch, nearly unbearable to distinguish on my own, and absolutely impossible to comprehend without support. I want to just jump right to the finish line and clear the air, but all that seems to accomplish is an enormous amount of upheaval.

    I just wish I could do something quietly and show the non believers after I'm finished.
     
  10. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    I personally could not care less if others do not know what i do. Science can take and run and jump for all i care.

    There are probably loads of people in this world that know stuff that only they know, and cannot be verified by others. Still factual, but does not have any webpage, or book reference.

    Science people seem to think people care for them to know something, why. If they are ignorant thats there problem, they do not know everything in the universe.
     
  11. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    Ignorant people could possibly have the technology for the full realization of our imaginations. Yet they want to argue with a person who doesn't care about prizes or fame. What I am after is more than anyone could know. Myself included.

    What I can't stand is the smell.. makes me nauseous.
     
  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    But you are talking about outside the universe, yes?
     
  13. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Given that you totally misstated the equivalency principle, claimed Einstein invented compound interest, that the energy light loses creates expanding space, that light does not travel along the geodesic, that photons were omnidirectional and that's why you could see a laser from the side, that Einstein came up with entanglement, that Einstein invented Young's double slit experiment, claimed that the universe was inside a quasar and some nonsense about 'light vortexes', in short didn't seem to know a thing about the history of science or any of the buzz words you were using, and then on top of that proclaimed that you were proud of your ignorance, you deserve to be poked fun at.
     
  14. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    First off nothing within or outside of the universe violates the principals of equivalence as you have so underhandedly pronounced.. Second Geodesic and omnidirectional mean nearly the same thing, the only difference being when I reported my semantics I stated 99.9% went unidirectional. Which if we take omnidirectional and ascribe angles to it we develop geodesic. Hence Pythagorean theorem was created.

    So what I proudly ascribe the facts of history to suit my logic (which some of my incorrect statements you have mangled), I'm not rearranging the facts of physics to suit our observations.

    You are quite content with your skewed views of physical laws in relation to the universe and symmetry breaking, thus unwilling to think of the arrangement of a galaxy with a quasar could possibly mirror the outside of the universe?

    Say a two vortexes of energy heading "into" something that we could ascribe being "similar to" a "black hole" (as no energy can leave the universe), as opposed to the vortexes of a quasar which uses angular momentum to create jets of energy fluctuating "out" of the surrounding area of a black hole. Not out of the black hole, that would be silly.
     
  15. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    Quit trolling nonsense. The folks who do the science are doing it for all of us. That's why you can boor us with your consummate ignorance over the internet.
     
  16. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    Intellectual honesty should be involved in everything you do and say. Intellectual dishonesty runs completely amuck in public science forums. The other thing to consider is whether you're being intellectually honest? This could possibly mean you would know what you're talking about since the subject is 'hopefully' science?
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Your whole post is a joke and smacks of being miffed.
     
  18. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    To the best of my ability, after sorting through insults and insolence reserved for educating the masses as opposed to having a true discussion without withholding, I would have to say my feelings on this subject were correct.

    Since the start of this discussion I have formed many original ideas in various threads which are yet to be either confirmed nor denied. (Tho some have been confirmed by laymen)

    I am not here to preach, teach, or hear myself or others be insulted for having a thought.

    I am here for the same reason as anyone else. To learn while teaching, or to teach while learning. The highest form of which is no person should have to justify themselves after being insulted. The insult in itself carries a fallacious belief.

    False belief fallacy- coined.
     
  19. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Many 'original ideas' all showing a deep and profound ignorance of all branches of physics. No matter how 'original' you feel you are, simply making things up without regard for knowledge is the path of the crank.

    "Confirmed by laymen" means other cranks saying 'way to go'.
     
  20. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    So much emotion alexG I don't even know where to begin. I can state that you have pointed to a "close" path of originality.

    You don't like what I have to say? Use logic instead of your emotions and maybe we can compromise.
     
  21. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Your posts show that you don't know physics. There's no emotion in that, except irritation at your crank posing.
     
  22. EinsteinHimself Banned Banned

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    Oh so I'm posing as a crank. Maybe that's just a figment of your imagination.

    Do something about it. Stop the inevitable or stop the irritation.

    Maybe you can argue insults are actually logical.
     
  23. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Your reading comprehension skills are poor.
     
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