Inherent Meaning

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  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You keep saying this, but you haven't provided any argument let alone evidence.
    (And your contention is nonsense).
     
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  3. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    How many is one, ein or uno? They all refer to the VALUE one! A singularity. Without a common denominator language is useless. ☺
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So still nothing but baseless claims...
    The "common denominator" is observation: i.e. we agree on what "one" (or anything else) means.
    That doesn't imply "innate language".
     
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  7. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    All words referring to numbers are referring to an innate value. That's why mathematics is a universal language. One refers to a singularity regardless of what language it's in. ☺
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    In other words: f*ck all to do with "innate language".
     
  9. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    No! How many oranges on the table? One? Ein? Uno? THEY ARE ALL REFERRING TO THE SAME NUMBER OF ORANGES!!! And every word for orange is referring to the same orange for that matter. Pull your finger out Dywydyrr!
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So STILL nothing to do with "innate language" (which has been your claim all along).
    Would that be the third orange from the left on the top row at my local supermarket? Or the one in my sister's fruit bowl?
     
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  11. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    They both refer to the fruit. An Orange.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Changing your story again?
    Evidently you have problems with English (another argument against your "innate language" claim).
     
  13. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    Ask anyone, in any language, to point to the third orange from the left and they will all highlight the same Orange. This is because they are all referring to THE SAME NUMBER. The same value.
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Still sod all to do with "innate language".
     
  15. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    Dilly dilly!
     
  16. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    If you cannot understand this perhaps you should talk with a language expert, see what they have to say about it, if you cannot understand this.
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Or, perhaps, you should learn to how to be precise and write exactly what you mean.
    And, at the same time, stop making sh*t up that you can't support.
     
  18. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    Dilly dilly!
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    What is the "innate" meaning of "bat"? Can a bat hold a bat?
     
  20. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    It depends on the context. Captain Sensible above could have made the logical argument that, "Orange" is also a colour. Did you mean can a baseball or cricket bat hold a flying rodent??
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's my point. The word itself has no inherent meaning, no "natural" meaning, no mathematical meaning. It's only the context that gives it meaning. Words are mapped to ideas but the lines on the map are arbitrary. You can get to the same place (the idea) from different places and by different routes. There is no inherent "natural" starting place and no inherent "natural" route.
     
  22. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    What is the first letter from what you wrote in your last post?
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    If you have a point, make it. Don't ask riddles.
     

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