Inherent Meaning

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So there's no such thing as a homonym? Do bat and bat mean the same thing?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not a big fan of ascribing things to the "mirror neural network." We don't really know what it does, but it's popular to ascribe almost everything to it, from compassion to reasoning skills to language.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There is abundant evidence of what it does, we just don't know how MNS works.

    I find it an elegant explanation for how organisms learn from observation and experience and thereby are able to re-experience the same chemical reactions merely from watching the behavior of others. Empathy.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's not exactly an explanation.

    Usually an explanation is a longer, more detailed description of the thing it's trying to explain, not shorter and less detailed.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Did you read more detailed findings and explanations? I have and the MNS seems no longer speculative. Functional evidence is abundant. Functional how is still mysterious.
    https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article/16/9/1276/276307
     
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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I misinterpreted your post. Strike my response. Mia culpa.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am glad you did. It gave me a chance to post the Oxford research link.

    In context of "meaning", the MNS may well be the fundamental area of commonly shared brain functions and chemical production evoking shared "emotional" response behaviors.

    If I watch you hit your thumb with a hammer, my body reacts as if the hammer is striking my thumb and that emotional response creates my reflexive "cringing" in mock pain as if I personally am experiencing the blow. That chemical reaction producing the empathic response must also be the seat for shared experiences of "meaning".
    Meaning; "pain hurts", "love makes you feel good", "everybody likes sweets or chocolate".

    It all means a shared fundamental physical chemical response system (a common denominator) to certain impressive (traumatic) events, which are simultaneously mirrored by all. Mass hysteria at a score in a football game is but one example.

    It is the lure of rooting for a hero. When he wins, we all win at the same time.
    At least that's how we feel....in perfect reflective and reflexive union with other minds...

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    A true empathic sexual intercourse can provide the highest state of ecstacy in both.
    The porno industry relies on the MNS for mass sales of sexually provocative films....

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    Interestingly, this mirror response is already found in the paramecium during mating, the only time they remain still, without automotor movement.
    Simply put, they "forget" to swim....

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    If we throw "symmetry" into the mix of fundamental Mirroring functions in nature, we are going deep into the symmetric pattern forming structure (or function) of spacetime, IMO.

    Mirroring suggests a perfect reflective duality to the universal aspect of "information sharing." It's elegant and efficient!...

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  11. river

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    disagree

    in every language there is a natural word that describes a situation and/or object
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense.

    What is a "natural" word?

    What is the "natural" Zulu word for "glacier"?
     
  13. river

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    A natural word is a word that describes an object and only that object .

    what ever it is , assuming they have come across a glacier in the first place .

    Any more the an amazon tribe has a word for snow .
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What's natural about that?
    Was it around before humans invented it?

    I'd be interested in finding a word that only describes one thing.

    Glacier is not such a word.
     
  15. river

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    What else does a glacier describe ?
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    A state of slow movement.

    "I watched him eat his soup at a glacial pace."
     
  17. river

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    Fair enough
     
  18. river

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    but in your post # 73 is this an example of inherent meaning ?

    I don't think so .

    inherent meaning is a meaning inwhich its meaning has an original origin

    not some abstraction example from the original meaning .
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I agree' it's not. Making the point that words don't have inherent meaning.
     
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  21. river

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    don't know why any word in any language is used to describe anything .

    A mountain is a mountain, in any language , not a tree , water etc

    it is an interesting thread
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No it isn't. A mountain is an intaba in Zulu.
     
  23. river

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    which means ?
     

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