Inherent Meaning

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  1. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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  3. Lizard Registered Member

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    Watching a flower, I must write, it's colour will fade. A picked flower will undoubtedly wilt as it's separated from the main plant. A wild flower will wilt in the winter. Seeding flowers will produce plants that will do the same. A faded colour is undoubtedly white. So then I must state all flowers turn white.

    "A whiter shade of pale."-Procol Harem. ☺
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What?? No.

    R.E.M.
     
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  7. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    If we;re talking about gibberish, yes.
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    First you need to define meaning.
    But I presume you are still trying to work out why you are here. ..
    Thats good I guess but assuming you work it out and there is a meaning will that change anything about your existence..
    I assume it will not so that leaves you in a position that there is meaning but your role is unchanged.
    You go about the day repeating the motions outlined in your script and you are no closer to where you imagine you could or should be...does that satisfy your desire to find meaning upon a realisation that you are trapped in the role of who you are to ask again if there is meaning.
    Why bother.
    You have your script and your only delemia is to speak your lines or revolt and leave the stage.
    Meaning is a crock.
    There is no meaning that you know or can be aware of so why bother.
    Alex
     
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  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Meaning is neither inherent nor a mere product of the mind. It emerges out of the interaction of mind with physical reality. It is the 3rd estate--the in-between "intentional" state of things being about other things. Beliefs, ideals, memories, metaphors, truths, symbols, images, patterns, and language itself. It is the emergent, evolved, and self-generative dimension of value and purpose that flows naturally from our consciousness of the world.
     
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  10. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    The same "thing" means different things to different people. Some fear things others do not. Some feel compassion for things that others do not.
     
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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry I guess I didn't make my point well. They wrote a song called What's the Frequency Kenneth based on a report by a famous Canadian news caster Dan Rather who was accosted by a gibberish-speaking nut. All Rather could make out was "What's the frequency Kenneth?" Nobody knows what the nutter was trying to say but it became a hit song for R.E.M.
     
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  12. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    I heard that phrase comes from the Second World War when a spy was caught. While the Germans were interrogating the spy they kept asking him, "What's the frequency Kenneth?"
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting.
     
  14. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you. ☺
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I woner if REM know that. Or Ran Rather. Might shed some light on the mysterious incident.
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    option 1
    only one possible alternative option 2
    duopoly ?

    option 1
    some things we dont know that we do not know probably has inherent meaning

    option 2
    if you have no mind, can anything have meaning be it inherent or non-inherent

    duopoly; of causative reality
    does subjective proof define perception ?
    or
    does perception dictate naratives of proof ?

    can all options exist simultaneously ?
     
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    It seems to me that there is an inherent meaning to things hence words describing a thing .

    A tree is not an ocean , rock is not water etc . Their seems to be a natural word to a description of a thing(s) .
     
  18. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Are you saying language is innate?
     
  19. river

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    Yes
     
  20. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. ☺
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So... a tree was possibly an ocean before mankind invented language?
    So... a rock was possibly water before mankind invented language?

    One wonders how we ever survived - what with all the climbing oceans to pick fruit, swimming in the trees, drinking rocks, and banging water together to make fire.

    I think you can see that things had meaning long before we had words.
     
  22. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    That is soulful. ☺
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Why am I not surprised?

    EXACTLY!

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    That explains why there's so many words for the same damned thing (i.e. every language uses a different word for a thing, ergo how can there be a "natural word"? Don't tell me: English is the natural language and all others are fake/ wrong/ unnatural).
     

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