Immanuel Velikovsky

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by OilIsMastery, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Are you saying that he misquoted you?
     
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  3. John99 Banned Banned

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    i dont understand it because like i said there are a number of people who do the exact same thing and nothing is even mentioned. as a matter of fact that is ALL they really do. none of this matters to me but it looks like someone is about to get railroaded.
     
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  5. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    You don't have to misquote someone to misrepresent what they said, I thought I quite clearly explained myself in my first post in this thread. Perhaps you should go back and re-read it, and take the time to actually process and understand it.
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    If that's the way you genuinely feel, what, precisely have you done about it?
     
  8. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    It seemed like an honest assessment to me. I don't see what you are objecting to.
     
  9. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Seeing as how you obviously haven't read my repky to his post, he has completely, ans provably misrepresented what I said, and in doing so completely twisted the meaning if my words in the context of the discussion we were having at the time.

    It's also not the first time I have been able to show that he's lied about what I or others have said.
     
  10. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    It looks like you're going to fit right in here. They will make you a moderator soon. Just continue to be passive-aggressive, that's the ticket.
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    MetaKron:

    Clearly you are trying to provoke a reaction from a moderator with your snide remarks spread across several threads.

    You are hereby warned that if you continue to troll in this manner, you will be banned for 1 month.
     
  12. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I think you need to acquire a copy of the DSM IV before attempting to make psychiatric diagnoses over the internet, and look up what it means to be Passive Agressive.

    I'm not deliberately ambiguous.
    I don't avoid responsibility.
    I have no qualms about openly expressing hostility or anger.
    I don't fear authority, competition, dependency, or intimacy.
    I don't deliberately foster chaos.
    I don't habitually lie, obstruct, or procrastinate.
    I'm neither haditually sarcastic or stubborn, and I definitely do not willfully obstruct others understanding.

    My actions on this forum - explicitly detailing and justifying why I consider OIM's post a lie, and doing so (or at least attempting to do so) in clear, unambiguous english, is actually the opposite of what people with passive agressive personality types do.
     
  13. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    Any astronomer you ask might say that Velikovsky's cosmology was rubbish, but his revision of ancient history looks plausible. Any archaeologist* or expert in ancient history you ask might say that his revision of ancient history was rubbish, but his astronomy looks plausible.

    That is what Velikovsky was- a plausible rogue who appealed to people who were not trained in the subjects he talked about.

    *Actually the one archaeologst I did ask said that Velikovsky's astronomy and ancient history were both rubbish, so it seems that archaeologists are a little more savvy than one might think.
     
  14. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Velikovsky was wrong. No doubt.
    The manner in which Velikovsky was 'debated' was also wrong. The opposition used every technique to discredit him other than attacking his arguments. It was a sorry episode in the history of science and not to0 far removed from the treatment of Wegner who was condemned for dabbling in matters beyond his competence when he proposed continental drift.
     
  15. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    So the manner in which they debated him indicates nothing about the accuracy of their counterclaims?
     
  16. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Would it have been better if I had just called you a cocksucker?
    Does it look better after I edit it, you asshole?


    Somehow you just bring out the best in people. Take the pity party elsewhere.
     
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  17. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Get real.

    What pity party?

    You think i'm interested in yours? You've shown yourself to be unintelligent, and incapable of considering a point of view that isn't yours?

    You think i'm interested in offering you any? Get real, I wouldn't waste it.

    Oh, and apparently you're unobservant as well, as you seem to have failed to notice that the background of the quote box is gray - unless you intend on editing your post after I reply, but then, that's what screen grabs are for (not to mention the time stamp associated with editing your post).
     
  18. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    White on grey doesn't show up very well. Perhaps you should have edited out the color commands.
     
  19. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Why would I do that?
    You done trolling yet?
     
  20. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    What are you, about 16?
     
  21. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely nothing. They may have been scientists, but they were debating him as human beings, ignoring the scientific method. Their motivation may have been a combination of fear, egotism, bullying ..... who knows. What was clear was that they did not - by and large - subject Velikovsky's work to a scientific critique. Other's did, eventually, but the initial reaction was a hysterical, knee-jerk explosion.
    The counterclaims were independent of this embarrasing nonsense.
     
  22. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Funny you should mention that.

    I'm not the one resorting to insults.
    I'm also not the one hiding behind white text against a white background.
     
  23. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I agree with you, fortunately, it wasn't this hubris that I was referring to, it was the reasoned work that came out once the hubris had subsided.
     

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