Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Nov 27, 2005.
Your a disagreeable cove, aren't you?
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Not particularly, but I'm guessing you're an aussie.
Without imagination we'd linger on the same thoughts. Though if we were all-knowing, we'd leave no room for imagination. So I'm gunna say knowledge is predominant.
but hence boredom
What's the difference between knowledge and imagination anyway?
Isn't every word in existence a manifestation of the imagination?
And then whole bodies of knowledge are built around these imaginative divisions of 'somethings' we have named. Where does imagination stop and knowledge begin given this?
Look at mathematics and its body of knowledge constructed around symbols, things not even concrete!
Yeah that's true as well =/
so I see imagination and knowledge as a circle of knowledge and imagination, which can be rotated to a particular point on the circle of imagination and knowledge and being no different in importance of that point to the other points below or above that point
What is more important left or right?
At point does imagination become accepted as knowledge?
You have to have knowledge to have imagination. If you do not know what a car is, you surely can not imagine driving it....
Knowledge without much imagination can see you through life quite happily; imagination without much knowledge can be very dangerous.
Essentially, what's the difference between being intelligent and just being knowledgeable? An intelligent person absorbs information and uses it to invent and imagine.
That which is imagination one day becomes knowledge the next, and that which was seen as knowledge is recognized as purely imagination.
At what point do we know that imagination is knowledge - when there is mass acceptance of a 'fact', or is it a fact when experts agree it is a fact? And isn't a fact just a universal agreement to call it such? Maybe it is all imagination.
Perhaps what you are seeing as imagination is something that bubbles up from the mind that is original and seeing beyond accepted 'facts'? Something new. And then what value does that have except the value that is given to it? But then isn't knowledge just the same? And if you say that knowledge leads to a more fulfilling life, then what say you of the 'enlightened' hermit and how he perceives your notion of 'fulfillment'?
To me knowledge and imagination are no different. Both lead us away from seeing what we truly are. But that's another topic all together.
Then you are like an enlightened hermit...
'Then you are like an enlightened hermit...,' you say Kmguru.
Never having been able enough to acquire the knowledge or imagination to find peace of mind (though I am successful from other's perspective) does make me somewhat of a hermit - I do not live an isolated life from an appearance perspective. I play in the corporate world but do not believe it can lead me to some success, so I am out of the paradigm/agreement made about how great external success is and for this reason I am like an isolated hermit.
Happiness does not come from things external - all of that is so transitory and the happiness I seek is forever.
And imagination, as original as it may be, is still founded on external things (by external, I mean things that we all have a word for) even though the process of imagining may feel more internal and for that reason more satisfying. Especially if it can lead to as much external success as knowledge!
We see imagination as coming from within and for that reason we value it more. (Perhaps for it's potential to eliminate suffering as well.)
It seems to bubble up all on its own as if coming from nowhere.
The greatest artists and scientists attest to the nature of imagination/creativity as being like it does not belong to anyone. But not long after, the personality takes hold of it as being its own. And that's when the suffering starts. A happy artist is a working artist, not a thinking one.
So neither knowledge nor imagination can lead to success, in my mind, not unless it is knowledge or imagination that encourages the mind to examine its own nature and, in so doing, dissolve itself.
If you possessed all the knowledge in the world without the imagination to create new ideas that is all the knowledge you would ever have.
With that amount of knowledge, there would be no more ideas to imagine.
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My Happiness comes from external. My senses pick up all the data and create this wonderful view of the reality that if there is a soul (which I think is) that transcends this mortal body, I will have it forever. That is my Happiness developed from Knowledge and Imagination - both sides of the same coin.
when that , that is imaged is shown to be true
think the chemistry table
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