If there's no God...

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by ggazoo, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That would depend; it has likewise to do with the direction this world is headed. No longer can a man go and make himself known and make a name for himself, for the sake of his faction.

    Today, we have only policies and procedures, tedious institutions, and countless other nonsense, not Human will.

    So I don't know....but I can tell you, I don't like the way the world is headed.
     
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  3. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Well ,the concept of god is widespread. Now all you need to show is that it makes the world a better place. Just look around you for evidence.

    All religions are into money in one way or another. Don't you know that ?


    I don't find life boring. Like others I give my life meaning without the need to rely on a big daddy in the sky.
     
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  5. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    And the atheist; my only point is, why point out that theists are irrational if you yourself are as well?
     
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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Again, not if it leads to a world that the only thing that matters is as I've already stated.



    Not equal in ability, but equal in worth.

    I was referring to normal people though (not that your brother is not sorry man). But, people who both CAN do something, and one chooses to be lazy; he is not equal.



    And that's a good thing? Again, you'll soon see the massive impacts
     
  8. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know what you're talking about. My faction is me, and my family. I can live for their sake. I will grow old with these policies and procedures, these tedious institutions and countless other nonsense to make life for those who raised me as best as it can possibly be, and also to prepare for when I'll have a family of my own. I don't need the idea of a supernatural creator to feel these things, or to live for these things.
     
  9. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    And I've replied in a seperate post why I disagree.

    So then we can agree that your original statement is false. Not all people are created equal.

    I think so. But I'm one of those people who doesn't give religion as much credit as others. I don't give it credit for the atrocities or for the good deeds. I feel as if chances are, without religion, history would still have had roughly the same amount of good and bad when it comes to human actions.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Norsefire, what qualities of the universe can only be explained by an intelligent creator?
     
  11. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Whatever. I just think it's a big mistake, you're removing alot of that hope and common ground AND effectively, well, destrying a ton of culture


    And what about your country? Don't you want to lead your country to victory and conquest, RATHER THAN stupidass institutions?
     
  12. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    The intelligent ones duh....

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  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    None can ONLY, but that doesn't mean that just because there doesn't NEED to be, that there isn't.
     
  14. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    Victory and conquest over what?
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    We don't need religion to have culture. Also, monotheism deliberately destroyed the culture that existed previously.
     
  16. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Honestly, I find it sad that you think you'd be hopeless without religion, or that you'd lose your common ground with your fellow human beings.

    And what the hell does religion have to do with leading a country to victory and conquest? :bugeye: Victory and conquest over what and in what sense? Again, I have no idea what you're talking about with this.
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    No, because people would have no limits. While they CAN be good, there is no guarantee that they WILL be any more good than they will be some porn addicted moronic idiots



    That is the statement I was disproving; it's from the Constitution not me.

    I disagree; many of the things, such as culture and tradition and celebration and holiday, have come from religion. That's the aspect I don't think society should lose, and there is less drawback in moderate faith within society than pure atheism.
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The only reason you would need religion as an explanation is if no other explanations were adequate. I do not blame Galileo for believing in God, because at the time it was needed to explain alot of things.
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I am agnostic; I am saying that for society as a whole, that hope and common ground and overall happiness and faith, is more beneficial than a dull world.


    Nothing, BUT do you believe a man can still do what he could've done a thousand years ago with a nation?
    Today all people care about is the beaurucracy, and it's disgusting.
     
  20. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Just as atheism would destry modern day cullture (most of it)

    But it would be culture less because there is little to form culture! Most culture is centered around

    1) patriotism
    2) faith
    3) that sort
     
  21. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    No limits towards what? If anything, you have to look both ways. This means the potential for goodness from human beings is limitless.

    Like spidergoat said, you can have culture without religion. For example, I'm not religous at all, but I still enjoy celebrating Christmas. And then you have secular holidays like Thanksgiving, Fourth of July, etc.
     
  22. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Other civilizations.................duh:bugeye:
     
  23. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    Conquering other peoples civilizations is hardly living in peace and harmony ...

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