If Election result 2016 declared illegal, what then?

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If the Mueller investigation ultimately finds that the 2016 election of Trump and Pence was illegal and is subsequently confirmed as such via the appropriate judicial body, what happens then?
    If Trump is convicted and sent to jail for orchestrating a result using illegal means, what happens to all the subsequent activities that Trump's administration has performed since his inauguration?
    Would every pardon, executive order etc also be considered illegal?

    Perhaps a "rabbit hole" too deep to explore?
     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Results were already certified, so it can't retroactively be declared invalid.
    All legal Trump administration activities would have been valid up to the point of his impeachment.
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    ok...under normal circumstances...
    but what if the illegality was profound. Could they be forced to over turn the certification...? ( constitutional crisis )
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No. Removing him is the Constitution option.
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Are there any circumstances ( unprecedented) that could force the 2016 election result to be nullified and rendered illegal?
     
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    No. But if he were impeached, perhaps we could also impeach all of his judges.
     
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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Not that I know of. Why focus on this? It's not going to happen. Even if Democrats gain the majority in the House after the mid-term elections, when impeachment would be possible, convection isn't likely due to the number of Republicans in the Senate.

    He wouldn't be prosecuted in a court, if at all, until after he is out of office and even that is if the new President doesn't pardon him as Ford did for Nixon.
     
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i should imagine if it came to that a panel of supreme court judges might be able to vote into force a consitutional order that validates the legal frame work to validate or invalidate the pardons.
    like a legal creation of a contract of pardon perameters that allows them all to reverse or assert legal decree.

    the patriot act was a breach of peoples constitutional rights but that seemed to be ok.
    i dont understand US culture.
    some of it seems clinically bat-shit crazy

    and... there is probably no legal status required to "act" as a president" as it is an elected actor acting who has facist dictatorship ideological theme.
    which seems quite odd for a pretend democracy.(financial oligarchy du-opoly)

    the political process in the usa is a money making scheme that is its own entire industry.
    it is effectively a business consisting of a duopoly
    you need to be the elected leader of one of the 2 partys to run for president(practically and require the hundreds of milions of dollars to pay off all the minions who create the great cash syphning machine that pays its self gold plated toilet seats out of working class tax income to represent minority special interests who pay bribe money to people to pay for votes(lobbyists).

    the entire system though may be staffed with some really good people is a leen
    it is a leen on its own ability to generate cash like a business that acts as a money lending financial company.

    its very hard to concieve basic community voter representation in the final working model.
    the 1 exception was Barak Obama, he came from a peoples lawyer who worked to assist the working class.
    quite an exception.
    seems like a geuinely nice guy to who knows how to compromise, hence the things like not locking up all the children of illegal immigrants.
    working with such a manifestly power hungry segragated system that is essentialy fractured by power and authority to deliver an even keel would be quite a challenge.

    lets see if the entire us economy collapses when all the soya and pork rots in a big swine flu mess(i hope it doesnt come to that)
     
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  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Say, for example, Mueller finds that most of the ballot results were interfered with by colluding ( with Trump) Russian/USA hackers. Could prove beyond doubt with hard evidence , testimony etc that the election result was totally contrived, orchestrated and a complete sham, what would happen?
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    (one of the)The reasons I am speculating in such an extreme sense is that I believe the Mueller investigation may be dealing with unprecedented events and to force the rolling over of Cohen MUST have taken some pretty serious potentials. ( well beyond what the press may infer)
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Are you from Turkey or India?
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The Constitution and our laws aren't going to change retroactively, regardless of what Mueller finds.
     
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  16. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe he just doesn't want to go to prison forever. It would be unprecedented if the election were found fraudulent. Most likely we would just wait until the next election.
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe his guilt extends to others not yet revealed, such as family members or other legal associates... etc
    It just seems to me that we are only seeing the tip of the Mueller iceberg and what we have been told may yet appear to be relatively trivial when compared to the end game.
    10 years or so acting as Trumps personal attorney would involve considerably more than just hush money and campaign finance issues...for sure...
     
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  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    There is that guy who threatened Daniels in the parking lot. Was that directed by Trump too?
     
  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I feel reasonably certain that sometime in the shadowy mists of time we most probably had at least one completely honest election in this country. However: I have no empirical evidence to support this contention. Human nature is confusing enough. The nature of political animals is a quantum leap into the unknown. In my short life, I have come to the conclusion that usually those who seek power are those who most likely should not have it.
     
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  21. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    This kinda addresses what would be my own follow up question: the election is definitively established as fraudulent, Trump would be removed, but surely Pence would, as well, right? So... Ryan?

    Edit: Recently "suffered" a concussion (probably--also, such doesn't sit well with existing brain damage), so if the above doesn't make sense, try and make sense of it--or make it make sense.
     
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  22. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    From what I hear, some American girl exposed the Russian Conspiracy, and was promptly sent to (American) prison for it, so there goes democracy I guess.
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    If a time machine was invented....

    Short of that, there's a limit to what can be undone. Just draw a line under it and move on.
     

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