If eating meat is unethical, why is it ok to kill babies?

Why are so many vegans/vegetarians aghast at the idea of raising dumb animals for food meat, yet believe it's an unalienable right to kill unborn babies?

 

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"In some circumstances." What are some circumstances? The woman is physically incapable of having a child without serious risk of death? Or a seventeen year-old who will have to go to work and skip college because she wasn't as responsible as she should have been?

In what cases should abortion be allowed, and in which cases should they not? "Just a bundle of cells" isn't very far from "just a collection of delicious bacon, ham and roasts." How is it ok to kill our own kind simply because they would be an inconvience, but not ok to eat animals because they taste good?

 

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Excellent post, James, but I have to take issue with one aspect that, while appears to be simple semantics, underlines a great problem within the issue.

I don’t know anyone who is “for abortion”.
It is certainly not the mainstream view.

There is a prevalent view (or at least a method of propaganda) among those who would like to see abortion illegal, that pro-choicers ARE, in fact, “for abortion”.

The issue, as I am sure you know, is not about whether abortion is a good or bad thing.
The vast majority of people would like to see as few abortions performed as possible.
The difference of opinion comes about in the details of exactly how to reduce the numbers of abortion, and whether or not it is an issue that the government should be allowed to legislate – or if it is even possible to fairly legislate.
The left, in classic, bumbling, liberal style, gets suckered into the argument, and allows the right to load it in a way that makes their position look “wrong” or immoral – they foolishly allow the debate to be framed as one about whether abortion is right or wrong.
One way they do this, is through the subtlety of language - such as discussing whether someone is “for or against abortion”.

When the right attacks the left regarding how wrong abortion is, they should measure their responses and agree that they want to see as few abortions as possible, and elucidate exactly how they plan on working towards that common goal together.
Instead, they take the foolish road and make themselves look like asses.

 

I'd like to see the evidence for that assertion.

Is it just an impression, or statistically verified?

--- Ron.

 

I'm a carnivore and pro-abortion. I guess it's good we don't eat the fetuses huh!

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Could someone please give me some sort of justification for the topic comparison? I don't see how the question has any real application: Eating meat vs. abortion. Really, I don't see it. Maybe it's just me.

 

I was asking you, James. What circumstances is it ok for an abortion? Only when the mother's life is threatened? How threatened?

Uh, the people who do it? The people who support it?


I've started going to school out of state, very far away from where I grew up. People are very different there. They all pretend to be like what TV tells them to be, it's rather weird. Some friends of mine are vegetarians. They don't eat meat because they tell me they don't want to hurt any animals, but they're all for abortions. I don't get it.

 

Because vegans are hypocrites, whilst we omnivores are consistent and healthier.

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That gives me an idea...
I mean, really, why waste them? The ones that can't be used for stem-cell research should be redistributed as food so that thier nutrients can be recycled back to thier environment.

 

Seriously, if eating meat is unethical, why is it okay to drive single-occupant in a multi-occupancy vehicle while burning grossly unnecessary amounts of decomposed organic material and polluting the world?

If eating meat is unethical, why is it okay to build nuclear weapons?

If eating meat is unethical, did Dr. Leonard Jeffries have a point when he said the space shuttle Challenger disaster was praiseworthy for slowing the progress of whites spreading their filth throughout the Universe?

If eating meat is unethical, why is masturbation such a discomforting subject for so many people to discuss?

Help me out. I ask again because I truly don't see it: If eating meat is unethical, why is abortion acceptable?

How does the one even regard the other?

If eating meat is ethical, on the other hand, then why is necrophiliac bestial sodomy wrong?

A to B to W to J to C? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

Relevant question: What would Jesus do?

Help me understand the connection. Please.

 

An idiot who thinks a fetus or embryo is a person might mistakenly make a correlation between killing a fetus and killing a fully-grown animal, with both of them being some kind of life-form. But, of course, they neglect to comprehend that a human fetus is not a human, yet.

 

James has convinced me that killing and eating animals for my own enjoyment is wrong. Cause you know, it hurts them.

So going on the basis of hurt, why is it ok to hurt unborn children, but not cows?

 

Its an issue of options vs principles - you may be a compassionate person but live in a desolate area of alaska and be forced to eat meat - or you may be against seeing animals slaughtered, which is why slaugherhouses are not made of glass - but thing about eating meat or abortion is that it is a type of violence that you can easily avoid (unless you only have an unusually slim array of options to choose from)

Sure, in this world nobody is completely nonviolent since the material reality dictates that one living entity is food for another, but still, at least on the human platform, there is a distinction between violent, excessively violent, excessively cruel and violent etc etc

 

So it depends on how developed the fetus is + the rights of the mother. What count as the mother's rights? Her right to life? Her right to living a life not having been crippled by bearing the child? Her right to education? Where is the line drawn.

Personally, I eat meat because it's the fastest and easiest way to get a large number of amino acids into me in a short and tasty amount of time.

 

I'm glad I don't have this issue on my conscience. It gets complicated, and instantly.

To wit, there were reports last year, as I recall, that researchers could demonstrate that cruel words registered in some of the same places in the brain that physical pain registers. In other words, sticks and stones can break your bones, and yes, naughty words and names can hurt you.

So going on the basis of hurt, if it is unethical to eat meat, how dare we ever speak passionately to one another except for overflowing joy.

(Sing it with me, and beat your heads in time: Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py joy joy! Hap-py hap-py hap-py hap-py hap-py hap-py joy joy joyyyyyy!)

Ren Hoek is the devil, and hippies should rule the world. Patchouli for all. Liberation from bathing! Burn the bra, bury the shower. Everybody get up and dance, for love's sake!

Er ... okay, maybe I'm getting carried away, but still ... there are more relevant connections, I'm sure. Thankfully, since I don't have an ethical quandary with eating meat, the connections are not left for me to make. But I still think it's a stretch.

After all, by the same principle, if we accept that life is suffering, is it not unethical, then, to have the babies?

Just wondering.

 

I see your point, but aren't you failing to recognize the severity of killing the unborn if laws are not passed to protect them?

Here's a little anecdotal story.
I know this girl, she's like 17 or 18 now, but she got knocked up some years ago. Rather than ruin her life with a kid, she aborted by taking lots of drugs.

And I'm certain she's not the only case where a mother chose to kill her offspring simply because it would be an inconvenience.

Of course.
But just like abortions, it's a matter of convenience and a lapse of personal responsibility. I would encourage any girl I got preggers to get an abortion, as a kid would be damn inconvenient for me, just like eating meat is convenient, regardless of the cows' feelings on the matter.