If atheism makes you mean why does religion turn people into killers?

Show where people killed other because there was a god.

jan.

 

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I cannot. Nor do I need to since that isn't the hypothesis or even a necessary and sufficient component of the hypothesis.

I can, however, show that there are people who claim to believe in god(s) and kill because they believe this god(s) wishes it. But I won't since this was already done by a previous poster in the first page or two of the thread.

 

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Sure, that's because they can use it in their defense at trial! Murderers might not be nice people, but they aren't stupid!

Doesn't sound like much of a defense in court, does it? It basically means they're admitting that they have no one to blame for their actions except themselves. Murderers might not be nice guys, but they aren't stupid.

Baron Max

 

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I think in cases where people kill those who are religious and ban religion or religious expression because they want to promote "science" and convert houses of worship into "secular" institutions, can be made as a case for murder/oppression by atheism.

 

it depends on how dangerous the relgious group is. banning jim jonnes' org would have been a pisitive thing but then jim jones was not religous as much as he was a socialist. really he was a madman so...what then?

 

Yeah, but atheists are such nice, wonderful, tolerant people that they would NEVER oppress or denigrate anyone for their beliefs.

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Baron Max

 

Thats not what evolution shows, if we are to believe that positive selection occurs in favor of survival.

 

I think human evolution shows that gangs and bullies and violence are good things!

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SkinWalker,

By stating; "I have yet to see the instance where someone stated that they killed others because there was no god," you implied it. I am merely questioning your implication, as it makes no sense.

And I can show that there are people who kill because of their overbearing mother, but it doesn't mean all mothers should be separated from their sons at birth.

jan.

 

I think both statements about, how atheists are mean, and religion turns people into killers, cannot be argued for me trust either side. Unless there is some statistical information This is just kind of ridiculous, I think "some" religions have the wrong idea of peace, God, divinity, and bliss

 

Conversion by the sword.

Used to happen all the time. You can still get killed for disbelieving in some places.

 

Agreed. By far and away it is a stretch of the imagination to think that people would kill each other over their gods. The problem is that it has occurred throughout recorded history, often, and continues to occur to this day.

 

That has never occurred in the name of atheism, hence it is irrelevant.

 

GeoffP,

And who were the people wielding the swords, every individual, because he believed God existed?
Or, powerful armies?
My point is, the average joe who believes in God, believes in non-violence.
In the UK, most of the violent crime is done by youths, who are not religious, and do not come from a religious background.

http://www.socyberty.com/Crime/The-Three-Main-Causes-of-Youth-Violence-in-Modern-Times.136415

In loads of place you can get killed for living on a particular estate. This is the madness of godlessness. In the old days (i'm sure you may have heard this sentiment before) everyday people didn't treat their fellow humans so brutally. They had a decent level of respect, which allowed them to settle disputes in a non-lethal manner (with the exception of few). Back in the day religion was more prominent in peoples lives, which helped to curb their violent behaviour.

jan.

 

example?

 

"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."

This was just one of the rants of a mad Finnish bloke, who went on to shoot eight innocent school kids.

Were we informed by the media of this mad man?
Are there any other mad people like him out there?

No.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were.

jan.

 

And he shot those kids in the name of atheism, Jan?

 

As much as someone shooting them in the name of theism, yes.

jan.

 

But, that's your personal assessment of the situation and not what actually occurred? Or did you just make it up? Please provide the link in which this man shot children in the name of atheism.

 

I think you will find that "theism", belief in God, is not a cause for violence, anymore than "atheism" is. Do you agree?
Killing someone because they do not think the same way you do, albeit theistic or atheistic, does not make theism or atheism the reason, although they may have played a part in the overall identity of that particular individual.
I think you're trying to say that it does in case of theism, and it simply cannot, in the case of atheism. A case of shifting the goal-posts.

jan.