"I hate obama because.... " and other junk

2 or 3 hours tops

 

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That isn't detail.

What kind of fiscal mechanism is he going to use to decrease taxation yet increase public spending?

How's he going to pay for all this subsidized healthcare and better public services?

 

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DeepThought: "What kind of fiscal mechanism is he going to use to decrease taxation yet increase public spending?"

It's a change of priorities, not a magic trick. The present Administration has been funneling billions into corporate coffers, while leaving a shrinking middle-class on some very thin financial ice without any hope of rescue if something happens to them. The next administration (unless we are frightened into further corporatism) will reverse much of that. There is a purpose behind "Yes We Can" as a slogan. We don't elect Presidents in order to have them dictate change. A President Obama is not going to declare re-allocation, or materialize funding out of thin air. We elect Presidents to lead us toward the change we want to accomplish, not to impose change upon us. Changing our disgraceful healthcare system will require seriously engaged collective participation of the public, the Congress, and the White House. For specifics on what Obama will promote in general terms of health care funding, just read on in the Blueprint. If you want to immerse yourself in specifics, get involved in this reform process yourself.

You can continue to play this game of read-to-me-I-don't-know-how, or you can instead take some personal initiative and read the Blueprint yourself. I hope you will take enough interest in our future to explore further aspects of the Obama platform as the campaign, the interviews, and the statements continue. This is a process, and nobody including Obama claims to have everything worked out. If a candidate were to tell exactly how it's going to be in terms of every allocation of public funds, that candidate would be running for monarch and not President. A new Presidency can inspire positive change, but the change must come through our Constitutional process. Can this country agree on the need to raise our health care standards to meet those of other developed nations? Yes, we can. Can we then get it done? Of course we can.

Blueprint for Change (pdf)​

 

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I read it, hence my reference to more detail and mechanics, which wasn't in it, ie, the numbers.

That's my idea of detail because when it comes to politicians anything else is waffle.

An example:

The result of this policy will simply be decreased profits for the insurance industry as they are forced to support the weak.

Obama's Blueprint is basically a socialist manifesto. A mixture of increased taxation on the rich and rules of conduct on businesses which will drive down investment and stifle free enterprise (eventually).

Indirectly, it encourages people not to take responsibility for their own lives, as in staying healthy, for example, and drives up taxation as public services attempt to cope. It's the same old tug of war between taxation and spending. I don't see anything new here.

Something to consider: with the growing economic power of the European Union and the emerging giant China is this socially leaning manifesto really in America's best interests?

 

"The result of this policy will simply be decreased profits for the insurance industry as they are forced to support the weak."

Perfect. The purpose of the reforms we so critically need will certainly not be the continued, precipitous enhancement of corporate profits in the healthcare industry. Much of our shared infrastructure (transportation for example) is more efficient under a (brace yourself) socialist, and not capitalist model. You and I are among the "weak", who cannot build our own interstate highways, or operate our own air traffic system. Yet you benefit from many elements of infrastructure that prioritize the common good above corporate profit.

"Something to consider: with the growing economic power of the European Union and the emerging giant China is this socially leaning manifesto really in America's best interests?"

Absolutely. On the present trajectory, wealth is being concentrated in the USA, while public services are in serious decline. Because we became so brainwashed about labels during the Cold War, we're prone to being left behind by a world that is moving on, with more efficient, less profit-driven socialized infrastructure.

"I read [the Blueprint] hence my reference to more detail and mechanics, which wasn't in it, ie, the numbers. "

It's the most detailed plan you will find at this early stage, when the nation has yet to ratify a change in course. If Obama gets the nomination, the real number-crunching will commence, as we commit as a nation to make a change for the better. The numbers will emerge throught the legislative process. Before that process begins, extreme detail is entirely premature.

 

A socialized US would be a miracle.

 

No miracle: We are, and have always been socialist in many aspects of US public infrastructure, since before the word "socialism" was coined. Our leftover Cold War jingoism still tries to pretend otherwise.

 

Wow also like happyness kind of sounds like ha penis...and i just dont approve of dirty words like penis

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Even Libertarian Boortz agrees Obama is a lot of hype:

# Concerned that most of the people who show up at the Obama rallies in the tens of thousands are economically illiterate and have no real understanding of the history of this country and what has made it great.

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# Concerned that once Obama gets into office – if, that is, he wins – any opposition to his policies will surely be branded by some as racist in nature.
# Can't recall hearing Obama utter the word "freedom." .
# I don't think he's a Muslim, but his father was. Certainly there are sympathies there ... and you have to wonder to just what degree he will pander to Islamist desires and demands.
# I truly do believe that the Obama movement is largely based on political mass hysteria. Hillary's campaign rode on a desire to pass personal responsibilities to the government. Which is worse? Haven't figured that one out yet.
# Any state that doesn't vote for Obama will be branded as racist. I hear you groaning .. but it's true. Remember, in 21st Century America any disagreement with the words of a black politician, any opposition to a policy proposed by a black politician ... all based on racism.

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# Obama has accomplished .... NOTHING. Nothing of note in the world of political, and nothing at all in the world of business ... right up to this campaign. He's good looking, articulate, glib, young ... and that's what has created the hysteria.
# Obama has proposed nothing that would further the cause of freedom. His campaign is centered around increasing the cost and the size of government.
# Every one of the criticisms I've listed of Obama will be labeled by some as racist.

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http://boortz.com/nuze/200802/02142008.html

 

another pile of bs i see

 

Sandy do you think that could be because libaterians are on the oposite side of the political spectrum from liberals?

Liberals are in favor of social programs where as libertarians would have the goverment cut down to the parliment ONLY if they could get away with it. Thats why they did so badly in the Australian election, people want to see VALUE from there tax dollors, people WANT services they dont actually want less tax here

 

A bunch of fluff...

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Taxes-more handouts...
Trade- yeah, right.

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Tech- we already have that.
Labor-Unions are BAD for America. They entitle losers to keep their jobs. Libs already gave criminal aliens a raise. They need another one already?
Home Ownership- too late.
Credit cards- any moron with a first grade education can read. Duh...
Work-Family- more entitlements...

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This guy is a windbag. Ugh...

Tell us about how he is going to invade Pakistan and "sit down and talk with terrorists". That I want to see.

 

I wish the campaign would tone down the "Obama will...". It just contributes to USAmerican ignorance of how their government works. Either that, or start with "Obama will abolish the Congress".

 

that second one is a pity. Its a good thing for your country but it will keep the DOHA (sorry not sure on the acronim) trade negotiations at a stand still which will really hurt mine

 

To add to the list: fire suppression services, EMTs, police, and the elephant in the room, the military. Perhaps we should continue the Bush trend of privatizing the military, and only have mercenaries. People would only be protected from foreign enemies if they could afford to be. I can see it now, the less well off would be running up credit card debt, and using usurious payday loans to protect themselves from terrorist attacks.

 

Just adding to my thoughts 4 posts back: More positive change would happen in the USA if the public could discover the importance of continuing our involvement in the democratic process after the election pageants. We are not participating in a functioning democracy (or representative democracy) if we elect representatives and Presidents to govern for us, while we sit back doing nothing until the next election. We should always bear in mind the importance of electing individuals who will respond to the wishes of the public beyond the election through changing circumstances. Through popular neglect, our system has devolved into one where corporations, and other special interests have entirely eclipsed the efforts of the public in communicating our concerns to our representatives.

The way the US public generally responds to elections reminds me of how the superficiality of High School popularity contests tends to retard community cohesiveness, and muddle collective reasoning. Elections are only one component of participatory democracy. Public participation beyond elections is just as essential. This concept needs emphasis during election showtime, because it's become the only time when so many USAmericans are perceptibly stirring from a deep democratic slumber.

 

The candidates should be focusing on terrorism and immigration. When those two groups destroy/take over the USA, it will be too late. Nothing else should matter to Americans right now. Not the economy. Not free healthcare. Staying alive is the most important. Pandering for votes is pathetic--especially when it's from groups who do not have your country's best interests at heart/in mind.

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I thank God we have W who prevented dozens of terror attacks since 911.

To hype- what democratic slumber? They're been in control of Congress for over a year. Incompetence would be a better choice of words, no?
They've been in the spotlight ever since starting their '08 campaigns in '06.

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No sandy they should be focusing on what they are going to do for YOU and your family. your WAY more likly to need health care than to be killed by a terrioust