I hate humans club

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Because you had previously said this:
    I could not 100% rule out that wasn't that romantic reincarnation of Ted Bundy when I let him in my home. Just like I can't tell if you're planning a mass shooting.

    Maybe reading, Nietzsche, or something will bring you solace, but you talked about killing people?
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    No. the point was that people have had thoughts of such when they are angry, legitimate or not. most people just don't admit it but you can tell people's inhumanity in other ways by the misery or harm they cause others, the uncaring/callousness etc.

    you don't actually have to 'kill' people to kill people. that's not the only type of cruelty or indication of inhumane nature.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, "killing" in such a broad use of the word that it's literal meaning gets drowned out?

    :EDIT:

    I'm not thinking about Fight or Flight.

    :EDIT:

    And why would you want to ruin someones life?
    You should find something better to do.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Birch, I've noticed that you keep saying that everyone is as you suggest but they just won't admit it. How would you possibly know such a thing?
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    metaphor

    yet people do. it's in the nature.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Birch I would caution about thinking about harming folk.

    Let me tell you a true story.

    I friend ripped me off and I was preoccupied with how to deal with him.

    For a long time I imagined pegging him out on a railway track such if he wanted to escape being run down by the train he would have to chop off his leg with an axe left for that purpose.

    A year later I ran into a mutual friend who told me my exfriend had a motor bike accident and had his leg amputated.

    It could not have been me but ever since I have never wished anything bad should happen to anyone.
    Alex
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I like to be able to identify with people for a better understanding, yet I still can't identify with what you are saying. Only if I could think of myself as so depraved in my personality, and or, environment could I see myself doing something as cruel as to "kill" someone.
     
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  11. birch Valued Senior Member

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    really? you know it's as or more depraved to not have a reaction of wanting to kill someone who has done a lot of harm to others? do you think that is right or justice? well, it's not. do you think that someone who, for example, raped and murdered your loved one (gratuitous fun and unprovoked) deserves to live but the victim deserved to be tortured and die?

    you don't know what you are saying. things are not as it seems.

    what people dislike (and the reasons behind it) is an indication of their character or level of depravity, not always how extreme their reactions. there are people who don't have any problem with abuse or evil in the world but that doesn't mean they are not depraved just because they appear tolerant. there are people who are even tolerant of evil. that is not humane either. i'm not saying that you are this way but it goes both ways.

    people have different motives for wanting to harm others. people can try to harm others for moral or immoral reasons. there are people who also want to harm others just to keep the status quo and not for ethical reasons because it benefits them. they don't care how society has harmed others as long as they are benefiting more using every conventional/typical bs excuse/sound byte in the book. there are so many reasons/motives and so many ways that these play out. that is 'also' depraved and inhumane.

    if you can't identify with what i'm saying or with any of those people in the op (they are not necessarily bad people or out to harm people) but can more identify with a perpetrator, then you are even more depraved.
     
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  12. river

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    Can't disagree

    Aren't alot of TV series built upon cruelty , misunderstanding , savagery , power , control of others ? They are .

    These series programs are not renewed for no reason .
     
  13. river

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    By the way I like the Human club

    What distorts , warps this club , is the powers that are , politics , banks and those that think ancestral genetic to the past , annunaki gives them the right to assume superiority above Humanity .
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i actually 'like' this positive view. i wish this was true but people have so many different agendas and values, once you get to know them, that is generally untrue. otherwise, one could be friends with everyone.

    what is the case is when people are generally respectful of others, then this works out to be true.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    What is the difference between justice and revenge in a modern society?
     
  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    what he means is that the hidden positive aspect/motive of misanthropy is the higher or better standards it has for society. if the reason for the misanthropy has to do with some form of injustice of the status quo or it has become customary/normalized. without that you don't actually have real love, concern, respect or want better for humanity. those that accept it, no matter what, will appear on the surface to care but they don't care as much (no conscience) or the quality/health of people's lives. that's the paradox.
     
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  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    If Satan made a song about how it's good to be evil sometime, I'd listen.
     
  18. birch Valued Senior Member

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    besides, it's very easy to understand why people are dis-likable to other people as we know just how ugly and evil (with full knowledge and intent too) humans can be.

    this is why you will often read on videos depicted where both people and animals have ended tragically and some will comment that they felt more sorry for the animals than the people or wished that the people have died and the animals saved. in some baby videos, some will comment that most human babies are not cute like animal ones and they look stupid, wrinkly and slobbery. we are well aware of our faults and sometimes even grotesque lack of innocence. these are people talking badly about their own species. lmao!

    i am not saying this is right but i know why they have that view.

    most people are not described as cute, adorable, innocent, sweet, loving etc, even if there may be a few, most are not. pretty, beautiful, handsome, clever/smart, hot, strong etc may seem positive terms but they still are not necessarily 'endearing' and heartwarming qualities that illicit pity or sympathy. we know damn well most people are not anything close to innocent.

    so it's very easy to be indifferent, dislike or even hate many people. the best we can muster for people in general (besides people we love) is basic respect/humanity but the 'awww, what an angel' factor is out of the question. these people tend to be more self-sacrificing, humble, ethical, innocent and sweet. occasionally there are people like that but not often.

    i am glad it's not often because the world is too harsh and unjust a place for them. the world/society literally doesn't deserve them as they would use and abuse such people.
     
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  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    one of the types of people i hate is those who try to get in the way or undermine others. it's not like they really cared or wanted what you do but all of a sudden because you do, then they want it too or it's an affront to their ego because you are inspired or want to reach a goal. even if it's not their goal or has anything to do with them or affects their life, positive or negative. especially, if you have the horrid nightmare of having to grow up around someone like that, then you can't show any semblance of intiative, improvement or working on yourself or happiness because then they will redouble efforts to squash it or abuse you further.

    actually, my whole family (not just stepfather but he was worst) had this envy toward me because my father was a wealthy entrepreneur. he built his empire from the ground up and was a very determined man. he was an electrical engineer but went into real estate development. they made him seem like he was legendary. nevermind, i was basically disowned by him but they were still green with envy that i might benefit so their mission was to be as mean to me as possible. now, that they are successful, they are calmer. of course, these uglies about people are never known to others and what they do.

    i'm sure the coworkers at her corporate job don't know that my aunt, for instance, used to pinch me repeatedly and chop off my hair out of jealousy as a child, for example, or lock me in a dark closet until the neighbors heard me crying and finally another aunt stopped it but she was not much better not as jealous as that one. partly because i was more attractive than her but mainly (like all the rest) my rich daddy! lmfao. how mature of her, right? or one of my uncles who i would hear from others (even stupid white people) about how good (what? how?) of a person he was and he's a child molestor. i made the unfortunate mistake of staying with them for a little while and his wife starts opening my mail and nosy as hell. found out he was not trying to help me as he originally said but to get digs about how he is successful to me. am i that important??? amazing! that's another thing, you don't even have to know that to sense he's a asshole. many white people have stupid judgements about people and make wrong calls it seems. they like these people who put on large airs about themselves and egos, just their style. the good asians, they don't like probably because they are actually humble and genuine like the nerd they make fun of or ignore. pfft!!

    i can go on for days about all the hidden ugliness, pettiness, perversion and dirty secrets of what humans are capable of that people don't openly say but occurs.

    then you find out the whole world is full of people like this from petty to large. even here in this condominium, there was this stupid bitch who just had to compare if i had a better view than her etc (lots of snobby, callous and vacuous people) when i don't even give a flying fuk whether she has a better view or i do. i don't consider such things of that much importance in my life to be spiteful over.

    then some pervert that i evidently didn't stroke his ego to his liking so makes disparaging comments whenever he sees me (doesn't even know me) and never said anything remotely rude to him or as i generally do, keep it impersonal for this reason but it doesn't matter. lesson: avoid people generally in continual association unless you like this type of crap or it doesn't bother you because they will start gossiping or trying you in some way just because.

    then even if after all the battle scars and you have almost nothing, there are still people who compare and are spiteful if you have anything they percieve as somewhat better or even if you have any peace, they want to screw that over.

    when i was in a relationship, there were women in his background that were jealous and hateful (didn't even know me) and some men because they thought we were happy (lol). we weren't but people like that didn't help matters either.

    even when i was at a homeless shelter, same human scum of jealousy, spite, gossip, backbiting, sexual harassment etc.

    people are shameless but should be shameful.

    i am so truthfully and honestly grateful now to be alone and therefore peaceful.

    being alone is one of the greatest blessings (if you count it's benefits) one can have in this world, ironicly.
     
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  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    cuter than 99.9 percent of the human population. i want to hug, kiss and squeeze it to death. cute aggression.

    people i just want to squeeze to death. hate aggression.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I cant understand just a little why you are ticked off with folk.

    The folk who wronged you should be horse wipped and that is too good for them.

    Being alone works and it certainly provides peace of mind.

    I sincerely hope life goes well for you.

    Alex
     
  22. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Heh. the thing about those people is that they assumed that i was as greedy as they were or wanted the same thing. i am not the one who went after his money nor did i care. it was my family including my mother who were more interested. i wanted to make my own life and do my own thing and i had the confidence that i could but they could see that so that was a further thing to damage too. it was insidious. if you are a naturally inspired person around those who aren't, they are very threatened and extremely jealous of that, even before it has a chance to get off the ground. this is because they don't draw from within themselves for purpose or goals. everything is extraneously sifted from the majority and almost nothing is original, not even their tastes or values.

    they wanted my father's money more than i did. that's the thing about people who are mostly driven by ego, status and money as they will do or use anything as a vehicle for it. they have no real vision or concept of bettering the world. they 'use' whatever is already in place (status quo) to achieve that ego-driven motive and then think they are a better human being. that's because society generally buys into that and mirrors that egofest. actually, they are average people underneath. not everyone but many are. some do go into professions out of genuine interest but just as well there are many who are just out for the status and power/money.

    i didn't even want my father's money as i didn't even like him nor did i agree with most of his values. though he had ability and talent, his values don't correspond to mine. as for the rest of my family, all they see and care about is the ability/money and could care less about one's values because becoming rich and having status was their goal. they see people having real values as stupid or worse, as their enemy. their idea of values is fake such as you can be pretend you do once you have achieved what you want using every dirty trick in the book along the way when and if possible.

    they are not visionaries or sincerely interested in making things actually better, they want things better to benefit themselves. they don't have real scope or conscientiousness. their values only extend to what the pubic allows/disallows.

    i think that's another thing they disliked about me as i am the type of person who would have shared and helped as much as i can when people treat me right but they were too blinded by their greed and envy. i can be very generous. they are inherently selfish. i was inherently more humanitarian than they were. i could even say i was born that way. they were not which placed me in a vulnerable position.

    how i know this is because i am not the type of person who would exploit someone without conscience as they do as long as they can cover it up nor would i let any of my family members become so troubled as to become homeless. i would never allow that and would reach out and help as much as possible for whatever problem they might have. i wouldn't be able to sleep at night. they are not those kinds of people.

    i never deserved to be born in that kind of family or to those types of people. they never even deserved to know me either. that's not arrogance because that's the real truth. they are the truly arrogant ones.
     
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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You know I have experienced similar.
    You tell folk what your plans are and rather than offering support I found they would explain why you could not do that.

    Lucky very early someone gave me two bits of advice that really helped.
    One...never tell anyone what you are going to do until you have done it..
    Two..the world gets out of the way for someone who knows where they are going.
    And so often you can feel the jealousy around you.
    But I was lucky my mother and father were the best parents.
    Mum told me you dont have to win all you have to do is your best...no pressure sortta but I would die trying simply to be able to tell Mum I did my best...and doing your best usually sees you winning cause most do not really try.
    And I would win everything from dancing comps to art comps even yo yo comps bitd call comps...No pressure and just kindness.

    And Dad told me if he caught me picking a fight I would get a flogging but if I had to fight I had better win because that first flogging would be nothing compared to the one I would get for losing...so every fight I had to let them take a couple of swings to show they started it then I could hit them and I had to make sure I won quick...and you get a good defence knowing you have to let them swing a few times first. And the fool thought because I was small and quiet they could pick on me.
    And in law there was this one lawyer in the office who did not like me and was always trying to fault me and he never did nail me cause I knew his type and made sure I never left anything for him to run to the boss with...but just that type who dont have dreams and goals and want to make sure everyone is a failure like them.
    But really I think you probably have benefitted from the negative experience cause you are together and realise how many con men are out there.
    I mean that landlord of yours. .. a lot of poor girls would not have been able to handle him or even see through his sneeky ways.

    I am very happy tonight.

    I have been waiting since xmas to do some astro photography and tonight the sky was clear and I got about half an hour exposures with a camera I bought months ago but not able to use it cause of poor sky.
    But the computer has been proceesing the images for an hour and a half and its like waiting for the baby to arrive.
    It says still thirty minutes.
    It gets me thirty minutes of data and what two hours just to stack the images.
    Anyways it was nice how you tried to help pluto.
    I really hope he gets it together.
    Alex
     
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