Huygens has landed!

LOL, ok, whatever then. Live in your la-la-la boogie man world. That is not my concern.
Oh, by the way, perhaps you should e-mail ESA and ask if they have such an agreement, or maybe e-mail each of the 15 member state governments.

 

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Build your own spacecraft-probe then!! Come together with all the ufo people, put together your funds and blast a probe equiped with 5mp digicam where you want.

 

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Ah, btw, remember that the signal could be picked up from any radio telescope on Earth, meaning, it should be a global treaty of all the world governments which have radio telescopes, including Russia and China to hide any ETI stuff.

So here we are:
NASA which has secret ETI regulations (which it may have)
NASA and ESA with all its' 15 member states have an agreement to hide all the ETI stuff.
the USA, Europe, Russia, Australia, China, Brazil and maybe some other countries have an agreement to hide all the ETI stuff.
WOW
I wonder why do they have such troubles agreeing on anything else.

 

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Try calming down first. I still don't agree with you, no matter how mad you get. You can enjoy living in you're contradictory world, where "top secret crafts" exist, yet NASA CANNOT DO ANYTHING TOP SECRET.

Go read a book.

 

Sure, NASA can do secret stuff, but this time it isn't just the NASA, it's more than a dozen of other countries and governments, exactly what I've been trying to transfer to your consciousness these last few posts, besides you still fail to answer my point.

btw, I'm not mad, I'm just doing this ->

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Well, don't people roll their eyes when their mad?

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But actually in accordance to The National Auronautics and Space Act
ESA is obligated to follow the same security guidlines we are, otherwise cooperation would not be allowed.

 

Let's remember, you lot: Huygens was not designed to seek out Titanian intelligence, just to sample its physical environment close up. If there is, or was, some sort of technological life on Titan - perhaps like Erburacum's Muuh creatures, a splendid feat of detailed imagination - chances are they would be far older than humanity, and we would have seen them here on Earth long before we could launch Cassini...

One can just imagine two of "them," under their lurid orange ultracold sky, sipping cyclohexane cocktails whilst exchanging wildly speculative and mutually contemptuous electronic messages:

>You must be a crazy woo-woo, you been eating di-nitrous oxide or something... how could there be anything living among all the molten ice and noxious oxygen pollution on planet BlueInferno?!

>Keep an open mind, you willfully ignorant tarball: free oxygen facilitates all kinds of high-energy chemistry, and we can only guess how complex it could get with molten ice as a solvent...


This, of course, was before BlueInferno suddenly began emitting crazily-modulated, unnatural radiation in the long part of the EM spectrum.

My point is, if there were Titanians, they would probably have discovered us first!

 

Of course, if they have evolved into something more than crabs

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Ah, it can always be worse, think - Vogons

 

We didn't see either crabs or Vogons scuttling or slithering around Huygens when it landed - let's assume for now that there aren't any, and concentrate on analysing what we DO see in those few hundred precious pictures?

 

What do I have to do with it? I'm not the one here crying because of no alien base.

 

Huh? And this was built in the early 90's? What kind, and how much data, is there that is either condensed into, or was only able to take, 4 megabytes worth? So much for high technology, I guess. I would have expected no less than a couple gigabyte worth of data, at the very least, but 3 floppy disks!? Anyone wanna go into some detail about this to help the ignorant?

- N

 

Sorry. I didn't mean to be rude.

Besides... who is to say that alien architecture would even look recognizably artificial to our eyes, seen from a great height and distance? Especially against a landscape which we've never seen before, either.

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The problem (I think it was stated previously) is not that they couldn't have mounted a larger storage, no, it's about how you transfer your info across these vast distances. (the solutioun is my mentioned interplanetary internet which is in development at least reaching Mars)
Besides the probe stayed online for a few hours, it wouldn't have had the chance to record GBs of data. It's not 3d modeling, you know. Numbers don't take up much space.

 

Are you serious? If we have stream beds then we have streams, we have erosion, we have rainfall, we have sedimentation. All of these things could be plausibly predicted before the landing, but they were wholly hypothetical. Now we know. And all of that and the resultant implications, from just one of the photographs. What on Earth (or on Titan) to you mean by saying they lack sufficient data to make judgements?

I'm not sure what the relevance of this is. Regretably I hold only a single degree, in geology. So, I feel I know the wealth of 'judgements' that can be made based upon these data.
I have no idea if I am 'smarter' than you or not. I believe your logic is often faulty and you are insufficiently skeptical, a pre-requisite for good science. It is, however, quite irrelevant which of us is smarter. That will not alter the fact that from as few as three photographs we can learn, have already learned, a huge amount.

 

btimsah, may I take the absence of a response as tacit acknowledgement of your error on this occasion?

 

Then you know more in that field than I do.

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I only did 60 points at 2nd-year degree level in geology and planetary science - so far.

 

No, those images are horrible. It's great they got the probe to photograph what it did, however the quality sucks.

Even if you disagree, don't like it, I don't care. Do me a favor, pretend these images were of a UFO that you could not identify. You would claim they are too fuzzy to conclude anything... blah blah. Maybe that will help you.

 

It was not a national geographic photo shot but a scientific investigation with a limited budget. The images a clear and crisp under the circumstances. Remember Titan is covered in a thick haze or fog that scatters the light, reducing the contrast of the images.

Latest comp from downward pointing cameras. The probe landed somewhere in the bottom right of the image. Erosion channels can clearly be seen. The age of the channels are unknown and do not imply that there is currently rain on titan.
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The probe landed on something with the consistency of wet or muddy soil, this was inferred from the accelerometer readings.

Another striking feature in these images are the white streaks seen over the lowland regions. They are thought to be methane mist because they changed over time.

When the probe landed some of the instruments hot parts contacted the soil releasing a large amount of methane. I think it can be seen in the 96 frame movie of the surface, but that is just my speculation, it may have be seen with another instrument.

THe above image will increase in quality as the side pointing images are comped into it. I am looking forward to the combined elevation and images maps.

I have read a few reports today that the complete data set was stolen from the ESA server. Am actively looking for it on the net and will post it here if I find it.

 

Ah, but knowing and understanding are two subtly different things.

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I hope my understanding is increasing each day. When I did my degree (graduating 1970) plate tectonics was still rejected by a handful of old hands; we had some hazy photographs of cratered terrain on Mars (btimsah would lhave said they sucked!); Pioneer and Voyager weren't even gleams in the exhaust gas of a Titan IIIc; and we thought we would be colonising the Solar System by the end of the century.
One thing that has not changed is my regretable tendency to anger at displays of stupidity. We have these wonderful photographs from an alien world, brimful of information and btimsah thinks they suck and contain no information. Very sad.
On a side note where are you studying?

 

Oph, they contain very little information. Denying this, or getting mad at me because I stated that does not make it untrue. They contain information, just not much. I would have preferred higher quality images. PERIOD.