Humans are robots

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Teddybot, May 22, 2009.

  1. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    My theory for what originally initiated particle-waveform duality is that while the physics of the universe would require particles to function deterministically, there has to be a certain amount of give in the universe to deal with the interaction of lifeforms who are chaotic in nature. This is where I believe the waveforms originate because of lifeforms generating entropy through their observations and interaction (Just look to Pauli to get a clue about upsetting experiments, or Heisenberg for that matter), those quantum states that would have originally been deterministic have to then deal with this influx of super-positioning. (Multiple Universes)

    This super-positioning waveform is important in regards to tangibility, If you were to decide to pick up a pencil for instance, you could pick it up in many different ways, lift it to varying heights, throw it across the room or even theoretically never have had the pencil to move about to begin with. This would mean that every atom would have to have the ability of shifting with what ever output your observable world would choose for that pencil.

    It doesn't of course mean that other outcomes never exist or cease to exist, it just means when you move that pencil, your linearly seeing more than one event, animate after another (This incidentally is the problem with "Absolute Rest" of a particle as it would cease to exist. I'm pretty sure even Einstein suggested there was no frame to time, no instance. [although paraphrased]). Each of those instances themselves potentially has alternative pasts and alternative futures.

    This is why I tried to point out that Determinism and Entropy are flip-sides of the same coin, they both play their role in the universe as a whole. Neither can rule the other out.
     
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  3. D.W. Dr.Weirdo Registered Senior Member

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    Were tools using tools, and a rock is alive we had pet rocks in the 70's didn't we (laughs). Animal don't use tools, they use natural instincts to get around the physics with there "killer instincts". By killer isnincts I mean there claws and there teeths, as for non threatening animals just natural instincts.
     
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  5. Super Dominican Banned Banned

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    No! No!
    I am not a mochine! I bleed, I am mans!
     
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  7. D.W. Dr.Weirdo Registered Senior Member

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    Really? Are you sure?
     
  8. tuberculatious Banned Banned

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    i'd rather be a machine than a priest.
     
  9. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    I love how Quantum Mechanics is the only thing left we have to hang on to for free will.
    There is zero proof for free will and mountains of evidence against it.

    People who do not believe in 'AI' are 'software denying software'
    People who do believe in 'AI' are able to see the difference between the hardware, the software and the subjective view of the software.
    When I bring up intelligent machines people who do not study AI are stuck in the subjective view of software mode.
    'If I feel like this and this then that...."

    After you write a program that digitally simulates like and see for yourself that it writes code more efficient, elegant and with solutions you never dreamed of it is very easy common sense to understand we are machines.

    Super dumb responses like what are we here for then, why have morals could only be asked by people with no goals or inherent morals.
     
  10. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    All answers suck:
    1) God made it all: who made God? where does he live? he was just always there?
    2) Universe made it all: who made universe? where does it reside? was it just always there?
    3) God made universe: see 1
    4) Universe made God: see 2

    Something that has always been there is a stupid answer
    Something that came from nothing is a stupid answer
    No answer satisfies me.
    I am just left to work with others, have fun and live a happy life.
    None of you know anything about why we are here.
    Those you look up to know nothing about why we are here.
    Regardless of social position or intelligence nobody knows, nobody is more right than anyone else and anyone who says they have a strong feeling are delusional!
    Here is a test for delusion.
    If the next sentence leaves you feeling more comfortable than the second to have faith in:
    I believe GOD created everything.
    I believe SANTA CLAUS created everything.
    There is equal evidence for both yet the large delusional group looks down on the small group who believes Santa is Lord.
    If you look down on the second sentence you are experienced bias and fallacy first hand.
     
  11. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    Here is some neat FACTS:
    All edges in your visual field are shared by cells at lower levels in the 'pyramid'
    As you work your way up you finally get to ONE cell that will fire for BILL CLINTON.
    This is call an 'invariant representation'
    As the pattern falling on our retina is never the same but higher concepts stay the same our mind shares information up a pyramid until it reaches a level of invariant representations for the important things in our environment.
    Watch Jeff Hawkins On Intelligence and understand how the spatial temporal node works, how it is in our head otherwise you are talking out of your ass when you deny.
     
  12. Enmos Staff Member

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    Which is a pretty neat trick in itself

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  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because you choose not to think?

    Wrong.

    Wrong.
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2243005&postcount=1

    So you're blaming US for your ignorance?

    Hardly factual.
    Who or what is "Bill Clinton".

    I see, so instead of "god" or "santa claus" you've decided Hawkins has the answers?

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  14. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    ha ha you got mad about what I said lol
     
  15. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    you projected blame- fallacy.
    those are not mans answers they are logical possibilities.
    Do you subscribe to the process of non thinking called Faith?
     
  16. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    You are a funny machine. You get all riled up about your circuts representations about the world. Funny a robot getting mad saying it is not a robot! You are. You.
     
  17. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    Which dominoes did my last post knock over in your brain and what twitches will come out of your fingers in response?
     
  18. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    Enmos we all begin talking out of our asses then we quote from data and watch others talk out of their asses. Recursion is reality.
     
  19. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    The sun goes around the Earth science is wrong- it is as simple as that and will never be any other way.
     
  20. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    All answers suck:
    >>Because you choose not to think?

    Because I have ethics and a duty to use cognition and logic.
    I have thought about the answers instead of blindly following these proposed and illogically followed 'answers'
    Your Grandparents answers to the world were seeing if a lady is a witch by the fact that good people sink - you are the generic heritage of these old school non-scientists and simply a machine that regurgitates new information using an old mental form.
    Your mental form adds nothing to our world. It does not create electricity and even denies the very machine you use before you.
    As a spokesman for your breed I applaud you.

    Luddites are cool they give innovators passion to prove them wrong by jumping on our egos as theirs get hurt by our always soon to be proven claims. Once proved the Luddites pride prevents them from admitting they were wrong and they choose the next thing. Before it was the sun going around the earth, now it is quantum mechanics being responsible for neural activity. Too bad we have chips emulating neurons just right so forget that one.

    Your brain is not a universal symbolic machine.
    It is not able to emulate other machines.
    A computer is a universal symbolic machines.
    It is able to emulate ALL machines and processes in our universe.
    It is common sense or denial from here- your choice!
    The simple facts stated above say it all and you must reach deep into insanity land to deny.

    See Alan Turing.

    Good news for the fruit cakes:
    Just because computers will be thinking better than us, have stronger feelings and more types of feelings does not mean that God did not make the universe for us and us in his image. So no matter what even if we make souls in factories it does not prove that your one God did not make this world.

    Just remember though if you believe in one God you are an Athiest of all other religions! You must say you are an Athiest if you say you are Christian for example as you do not believe in Zeus or Apollo.

    Humans who do not believe people are machines are usually religious and do not understand science and have never read on AI or how brains work.
     
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  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You think?
    My mistake, you don't.
    You simply follow your programming.

    Wrong.

    What are?

    What's "faith"?

    Oops, wrong.

    Wrong again.
    Good at this aren't you?

    Nope.
    By your own "logic" you don't have a duty or ethics. You're just following a prescribed path.
    And then trying to justify it.

    No you haven't, you've simply gone with what your programming has told is "correct".

    I doubt it.
    None of my grandparents believed in witches.
    (Although my father's parents weren't too keen on the local council representative).

    And now you're resorting to nonsense woo woo talk.

    And the point is...?

    Can't, he's dead.

    Who's this "god" guy again?

    For whom?
     
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  22. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    Contraction special:
    Until a computer is able to affect the two slit experiment the same way a human observer does then it is proof it is not conscious.

    Have you ever heard of the delayed choice two slit experiment?
    Google: delayed choice

    God goes back in time and changes what is drawn on film LAST WEEK based on a coin toss TODAY!

    I call it the experiment that broke science.
    The hardware that runs our world is way different than the way our world runs.
    Time and distance are turned into single points.

    The Aliens/Gods/Natural computer is a marvel.
    Is there any choice other than the above 3 that you can think of for the reason our universe exists?

    It either exists Naturally, By God or By Aliens. Any more possibilities?
    Which answer do you like the best and why?

    C'mon take a break from praying or be-heading scientists who deny your views and THINK!
     
  23. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    Dywyddyr is dumb.
     

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