How many times do republicans need to be proven wrong before they lose all credibilit

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Because they're conservatives. How often in history have conservatives been right? It is the defining nature of conservatism, regardless of what party or organization undertakes it in whatever society, to work to preserve existing privileges against change.

And when their whole purpose is to create and enforce injustice, how often can they be right?

And why would they break that record now?

They don't have to be "right". Their idea of "right" has little, if anything, to do with facts. As long as it gets them what they want, it's "right".

 

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They don't; approval ratings for congressional republicans are around 20%-30%. In one recent poll it was as low as 16%.

 

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But Romney took 47.5% of the vote in 2012. Approval ratings are not granular enough to answer the question. Some republicans undoubtably think the party isn't extreme enough and that is the genesis of their discontent. They appear to celebrate the misinformation and ignore the many failures of republican dogma.

 

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That was very well written to the point. And it is their money and power which allows them to prey upon human fralities. Facts dont matter if they lie well enough. But i am always impressed with how easily their followers are able to dismiss and ignore the many failures of republican ideology.

 

Yes. Once again US voters were presented with two relatively poor choices, and they chose the least bad of the two. Keep in mind that while the latest Gallup poll had congressional republican approval at only 26%, democrats weren't much higher at 34%.

Definitely. Both parties have their extremists and their moderates.

 

How many times has science been wrong, and they never give up. Scientists have been wrong so many times, but you all think they are infallable.

Amazes me these threads, the morons in science or socalled left. How many times has obama been wrong?

Even though i cannot stand either side, why target one group. Morons exist in all groups. Painting a wide brush.

 

How many times do you need to be told we do not think scientists are infallible? The only way a scientist can be shown to be wrong is thru science. You go on&on&on repeating things you have been corrected on.

 

They're certainly not infallible. They are just the best we have.

Quite a few. He is not nearly a perfect president; he is merely better than the alternative.

Definitely true there.

 

No they are not. Science is right only to a point where equations work and are 100% correct, beyond that science is rubbish.

 

Given that you are posting your opinion that "science is rubbish" on a high speed data network that spans the entire world, and is based on the principles of science (primarily Maxwell's Equations) - that's sort of a self-defeating argument.

 

Lol well we are not talking about science here. We are talking about two political parties. One gets things wrong virtually all the time and another which usually gets major policy issues correct. And the issue is why some people keep selecting the party which almost always is incorrect.

Additionally, science isn't magic. Science is valuable because it works. It produces reliable results. And reliable results is what we are after.

 

Maybe We Can Just Call It Disability Accommodation

Well, we must also account for the fact that the conservative platform often requires ascientific beliefs. Hobby Lobby, for instance, just used its religion to refute medicine. You know, just as an example.

Because, after all, they're just not equal under the law unless they are superior under the law.

 

The republican preach self reliance which means you have to think and act for yourself. Democrats teach dependency on Government, which means someone else thinks for you. You did not build it, someone else did that for you; Warren/Obama. This makes it easier of the democrats to program their base as a herd. If you program a herd to all think the same thing, it creates it own self serving loop illusion, since none of them can see anything else.

Any good decision maker will rely on a variety of sources before making a decision. While someone who is closed minded and egocentric will surround themselves with boot lickers. The illusion that appears is the trained herd and the boot lickers all seem to drawn the same conclusion as the leaders, while the independent thinkers are still working out the details, since thinking and discussion is slower than memorizing and boot licking.

With Obama Care, the republicans predicted many of the problems due to thinking outside the herd conditioning. The mindless herd was sucked into the sale pitch and memorized the group chant until it appeared this was the well thought out consensus. They did not have a clue of what was gong to happen. The lazy herd was walking in the wrong direction, while calling it right, since cause and effect was never part of the thought process.

Democrats leaders are smart in the sense they take advantage of gullibility but appealing to the gullible. The republicans have to deal with people who are better informed since self reliance needs good information and not opinions. The Democratic leaders can lie easier or even be corrupt. It is harder for republican leaders to do the same things, since others will research it an they will not ignore valid data, like the democrats.

Conservatives, who preach self reliance, tend to use older fashion thinking since this has been worked out. The gullible herd prefers novelty like a new TV show with a new angle to entertain them. Old ideas, although useful to the practical minded are boring compared to new entertainment.

 

Unless they are facts concerning smoking, or climate change, or evolution, or pollution, or polls. Then republicans throw out the factual data and replace it with party-approved propaganda. Through this method they ensure obedience; it is easier to control a voting populace when you can control what they see as "fact." FOX News does an excellent job at this, which is the reason that FOX News viewers are the least informed news viewers out there.

 

Nice succinct statement of the state of affairs, as seen by every rational human being who is not in a coma or under the hypnotic trance of mean, stupid vultures wrapped in the American flag.

billvon, the voice of reason. Perfect score every time.

wellwisher, the voice of debilitating pseudo idealism, hybridized by moronic nonsense. Sadly, there are a few grains of educational accomplishment floating around in all that flotsam and jetsam, just mangled beyond recognition. Alas, poor wellwisher, we knew him well. And so it goes for all the other victims of the Religious Right. Makes the Manchurian Candidate seem like child's play. This is massive, phenomenal, and utterly destructive to everything we associate with common sense, logic and the quest for knowledge that accompanies every appeal to reason. This is your mind on religion. The mind: what a terrible thing to waste. And so on and so forth. Ah, the humanity! :bawl:

 

Hate to say it, man, but ...

... sorry, Joe, but you're easily impressed. If the American voters are the "battered wife", as Sarah Palin puts it, then Republican voters are the brainwashed kids in voucher-subsidized "schools".

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Was it Aquinas who argued that the sacrifice in which God most delights is the sacrifice of the intellect? Even still, this isn't what he meant. Or what He meant, such as it is.

Conservatism is very much doctrinaire, and insists on simplified political mechanics. As a result, we have a steady parade demonstrating these outcomes, over and over and over again.

The problem with delving into the psychological functions leading to these outcomes are a bit like waiting for the mystery to answer itself. One could spend eternity trying to find the baseline, if conservatives don't nuke everything first.
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Republicans preach many things; it doesn’t mean they walk the walk. Because they most certainly do not, I live in an agricultural red neck state. You had better not get in the way of those agricultural subsidies. Those red neck rock solid republican farmers like their government support checks. And they love their government supported crop insurance. And our governor and congressmen are always trying to get the federal government to spend more money in this state – Obamacare excepted.

Actually democrats teach no such thing. You are repeating, as you are want to do, republican partisan nonsense. Democrats are not the homogenous group you republicans are, they all have different opinions and frequently wind up chasing their tails (i.e. Obamacare). Herding democrats is akin to trying to herd a flock of birds. It just doesn’t work. You cannot say the same for republicans. Over the course of the last few years, they have been pretty unanimous in virtually everything. There is not free thinking in the Republicans Party. What Limbaugh says become republican gospel no matter how insane and their isn’t a elected republican official who has found the guts to stand up to Limbaugh and company.

Thanks for a very accurate description of the Republican Party. When was the last time the Republican Party came up with a good idea? When have Republicans made a good decision? Was it when they decided to cause a debt default, not once but twice? Was it when they shut down government? Each of these stunts sent the economy towards recession, each incident cause jobs to be lost and investment to be lost.

Oh and what problems would those be exactly?  I suggest you go back and read what republicans were saying during the time Obamacare was being debated. There wasn’t any diversity of opinion in the republican ranks. They were all saying the same thing, using the same words and the same talking points. Contrast that to what democrats were saying. You live in a fantasy world my friend.

Unfortunately for you, all the republican money spent and all the republican sponsored ads which attempted to derail Obamacare failed. Obamacare works. Obamacare is working. Millions now have insurance. Where are the death panels republicans promised? Where are the job losses republicans promised would ensure upon passage of Obamacare? Where are the republican promised healthcare shortages? There are none. There are only fools like you who are oblivious to reality.

Cross out democrat and replace it with republican and you would be correct. You cannot even rationalize your positions on Obamacare. Your delusion and confirmation biases prevent you from seeing the success of the program.

If what you say were true, why is it republicans eschew science? Why is it republicans don’t believe in the science of climate change or evolution or even some of the medical sciences and hold some strange and anti-scientific notions about the female body? Why is it in 2012 republicans tossed out the scientific polling data which showed they were losing and replaced them with anti-scientific polls more to their liking but unfortunately for republicans, not true.

Perhaps you have been hitting the republican entertainment industry too heavily…too much Fox News and conservative talk radio? Those “self-reliant” republicans just love their federal subsidies, government franchises, and government privileges.

Sorry friend, your own words indict and convict you.

 

The republican party favors smaller government and more self reliance, which go hand in hand. If big mother is not there to wipe your butt, you need to learn to do this own your own. This means you need to seek more information that you never needed before. Larger government means more outside influence in your life, which translates into more dependency and less need for self reliance. If mom wipes the butt, who care about which bathroom tissue is more sturdy.

Each new law and regulation means someone else makes a choice for you. If you are more self reliance, you do more for yourself including reasoning and making choices. If you are more dependent, you have to make compromises in favor of the rules of the host.

If you own your own house, you are the king/queen of that castle. You can make the rules of the house. As you become more dependent and less self reliant, even by circumstances beyond your control, you become more restricted and beholden. If you live in an apartment there are limits to your choice of home decorating, but many other things are more the same. If you live in your parents house, you have to follow their rules which are wider in scale. Compromises need to be made with many choice against the rules. With dependency comes a sweet spot of behavior, where there is the least friction from controlling elements beyond your control. In a large scale of government dependency, this results in conformity over a population. If all the moms in the neighborhood used the same house rules, all the children in the hood will look like clones.

Let us go the other way, from being dependent and living in your parents house and having to follow rules. Next, your parents have a room above the garage, that they fix into a private living quarters for you. Big Government has gotten smaller, the new privacy away from big mom and big brother, allows you new choices. You can come and go and have less arguments about the rules and boundaries of the big house.

Next, you get a part time job so you don't need to bum food and/or get allowance, but can provide your own basic needs. Now you can eat anything you want, including breaking the schedule that the family has for eating. With this new freedom and self reliance comes more responsibility, since now you need to make good food choices on your own. This means you need to learn about how nutrition works. Big mom use to do this for you so there was no need to think about it, but just accept her meals. Discussions of nutrition never impacted you before, since the meal was what it was; beyond your control. But with more control and choices you need more information. You need to become better informed beyond what mom did since you eat new things.

Next, while surfing the web, you invent a new angle on the web, and create a little business that pays you well. Instead of a partial dependency, you build your own house on your own lot. Now you have full freedom and full self reliance. You also become a provider of jobs, so others can leave the home and the room above the garage. Or it give parents money to build the room above the garage.

To conclude the analysis, your have your large home and you are the king of the castle. You also have employees who now have the means to make more choices in their own lives; they are less beholden to all their big government situations in life. You hire your siblings and they move out into apartment and houses. Mom and dad are now alone, stuck in a huge house that is too big for them. This government was designed for a lot of dependents. Even mom's recipes for meals were based on all her dependent children being under her wing. They will need to downsize into a smaller house that fits their needs. Mom also has to adjust all her recipes since she cooks for only two now.

In this scenario toward independence and self reliance, democratic party would need to evolve into one that was closer to the Kennedy years, with smaller government in all affairs. The modern republican party is closer to this.

The Kennedy years wanted to liberate people from the big brother of cultural regulations; give more civil rights. It did this by making the restrictive rules smaller and fewer. It offered the room over the garage to start off. The goal was the America dream for all, not forever staying above the garage, with semi-dependent freedom, with little need for information beyond what you are told.

 

No they don't. They just want the part of government they can't profit from to shrink, like regulations on industry. They love deficit spending, they hate self reliance. That's why they hate anything that could make people self-reliant, like raising the minimum wage.

 

Wellwisher here is a good example of why the republican party is losing all credibility.