How is change possible?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Mind Over Matter, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And here I was under the impression that reality was reality, despite my opinions of it. In fact, independent of whether or not I had any opinion at all...
    Will reality stop or change if I alter my mind or cease to exist?
     
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  3. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You cannot cease to exist.
     
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  5. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Where "change" is actually a human concern, philosophical reality takes precedence over what the majority understands about nature.

    Philosophy at the highest levels is always the catalyst for change in the majorities notions.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That's news to me.
    And somewhat disappointing.

    Of course it does. Especially if that "philosophical reality" contradicts physical reality.

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    Yeah?
     
  8. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Why disappointing?
     
  9. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Yes. If philosophical everything contradicts physical nothing we choose everything.

    No. Any word to come out of a persons mind is false, but the reason behind their assumptions is always full of truth.
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because then I'll turn into a BOF rather than leave a glorious legacy.

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    What?

    Wrong.

    Also wrong.
     
  11. river

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    I have

    you just don't seem to able to grasp what I'm saying
     
  12. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    Ceasing to exist has nothing to do with reality being independent of one's opinion and neither does altering the mind.
     
  13. river

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    how so ?
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    No. You'll get reborn and then the whole thing will start all over again, perhaps even in much the same way as it has been so far, if you don't make some changes.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Correction: you don't seem to be able to do anything other than repeat the same claim.

    Huh?
     
  16. river

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    ahhh... Dywy

    sometimes it takes repetition to sink in

    so what specifically can't you grasp ?
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because you seem to think that reality should conform to your logic.
    Let me quote something at you:
    Now, tell me again why nothing can come from nothing.

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  18. river

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    reasoning D , reasoning
     
  19. river

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    because nothing can never be anything more than what it is , nothing

    quantum entanglment is not about nothing , never has been , even though some think so

    the entanglment is about something of which we don't understand yet

    reason it out D , reason it out
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. You're STILL making claims based on logic.
    Fail.
     
  21. river

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    NO , not on logic , but reason
     
  22. river

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    logic fails because it makes no sense

    however I use reason and reason says that what seems to be nothing , isn't

    this nothing is actually something in the first place
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm so glad we have you here to put Hawking and company right.
     

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