# How Do they Know ours is a Zero Energy Universe?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Robittybob1, Dec 15, 2011.

1. ### AlexGLike nailing Jello to a treeValued Senior Member

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You merit no praise.

3. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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I was talking about Stenger making an educated guess, was I right? I have not read his stuff yet, for I'm just seeing who on Sciforums would be capable of doing an Universal Energy Audit. AlphaNumeric is my personal choice so far, but I have seen some other capable posters but just can't name them here and now.
You've been rather quiet. What would be your method of doing this task?

5. ### AlexGLike nailing Jello to a treeValued Senior Member

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Crankdom hath no remedy.

7. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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You are showing your underbelly Alex?

8. ### wlminexBannedBanned

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And NOW!! . . . . back to the OP #1 . . . . "How Do they Know ours is a Zero Energy Universe?" . . . . . they don't KNOW, they HYPOTHESIZE . . . and convince themselves that they are correct!

9. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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It will be interesting to see the answer. They had to come up with Dark matter and Dark Energy, and I'm going to have to really understand both these as time goes on.

10. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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None of those things exist in reality. Just particles. Like.. why does acid burn, and hurt? It doesn't hurt certain moles. It is a form of physics, and all physics are particles. I mean heat is movement, and scale. So can a particle move X+ and can it move X- (yes) can it move Y+ and Y- (yes), can it move Z+ and Z- (yes) can it scale UP, and scale DOWN (yes), I remove the bump by using time, so to make heat = 0 you remove the properties of the particles. But being as I am starting from zero, I don't really need to test this, because I only need to program opposites, and I only want a few. Hopefully 12 at most. 12 ingredients to an entire universe.

That question in Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy.. 42. It might be smaller!

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11. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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Dark matter and Dark Energy I have feeling they are positive energy as opposed to negative energy in Gravitational fields (GPE).

12. ### wlminexBannedBanned

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. . . could be . . . .

13. ### wellwisherBannedBanned

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We live in a positive energy universe, not a zero energy universe. Matter and anti-matter can form from a single photon of positive energy. Matter does not form from positive energy and anti-matter from negative energy.

Hypothetically, say you had postive and negative energy, if they are separated in distance and time there is a potential that is not zero potential. Even if energy cancels in terms of the simple math balance, there is still positive potential affect. The electron and positron may mathematically cancel out due to being equal and opposite, but in reality that cancelling will generate positive energy.

The mistake has to due to with math. Mathematically, we can get zero, but this may not be what is left in reality. If I have $10 and give all$10 to Sue, there is 0$left. But in reality there is still$10 left in possession of Sue. It is easy to track this money and know what i was trying to say, but with universal energy it becomes too easy to loose track of the energy, especially when you assume relative reference and don't use C or the speed of light as the only consistent ground state.

14. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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That's one thing I don't understand about science.. my electrons are positive. I believe myself.. so what's going on there? To be negative they would have to be holes, and how do you bump something with a hole? There's really something wrong with the electron. I'm sticking with positive anyway. Holes can bump holes, but not particles.

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15. ### AlexGLike nailing Jello to a treeValued Senior Member

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So you must be right and the universe is wrong?

Perhaps you might entertain the idea that you are simply, totally incorrect.

16. ### SarkusHippomonstrosesquippedalo phobeValued Senior Member

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And that positive energy is cancelled by negative-energy in the form of gravity, or so the theories go.

I'm not sure it's as simple as you seem to portray it.
The evidence seems to increasingly point to a flat / zero-energy universe, although it is still widely debated.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veU6hK3jMH4

17. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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I just want to know how science says that they are negative. In my theory, negative is a hole, which would be a pull, not a bump. If something is screwed up, I still need to know why.

18. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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Oh, read up on them.. electrons attract? Weird, I didn't know that. So they are holes then. Well they have the wrong mass then in science. They are negative mass.

19. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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An electron is positive energy but negatively charged.

Positive and Negative charges attract but that is not related to the difference between positive and negative energy when doing an energy audit.

20. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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That is so confusing.. how do holes power a TV? eek! :bugeye:

21. ### Pincho PaxtonBannedBanned

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I can't have such a thing. The only way for me to do that is to release something from the electron hole.. maybe a photon?

You see, to be pulled into a hole, you are actually moving into the area of least resistance.. the hole. So the pull is really a bump from behind you like water into a plug hole. I only allow bumps, and not pulls.

22. ### Robittybob1BannedBanned

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So you are not familiar with basic science?