@iceaura: Whereas your list of responses makes it clear that you are one of the left wing denialists. As a result, debating things with you is a waste of time, facts can't sway a denialist. I am glad to see that you accept that gun control laws do not in fact make people measurably safer. That is one point where the facts have bled through (but I have many friends who are outraged that, for example, NYC can't ban guns under the current post-Heller line of cases, and their reasons are "guns are dangerous!").