How can a poster know what will be deemed as pornography?

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Robittybob1, Oct 19, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    "1) You did post porn on this site and was banned for it."

    This is what I get told but is it true?

    The site rules that I could find on the subject were:
    Now the wording in the forum rules was to be No "Posting gratuitous comments or images of an obscene, sexual, violent or graphic nature."

    Now the link I posted to had a real blaster of a title "Strip - Hot Girl - oral sex naked female stripper anal porn" but the video that went with that title was quite decent. So I asked myself the following questions and made the following conclusions:
    Are the images sexual or just suggestive? (I believe they were sensual not sexual)
    I believe the Images are not obscene
    I believe the Images are not violent
    I believe the images are not of "graphic nature".

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?13...l=1#post3117740

    Now since YouTube has its own anti-pornography policy:

    http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines?gl=GB&hl=en-GB

    YouTube Community Guidelines
    So if the offending video is OK for YouTube audiences and passes YouTube's strict criteria, will a link to that video onto the science forums then violate sciforums rules? This particular YouTube video had been there for 5 years so it clearly wasn't UN-acceptable. (It is acceptable to YouTube)
    It gets tricky if there are different levels of tolerance.

    I think anything acceptable on YouTube should be OK for Sciforums. Otherwise one cannot tell the outcome of posting a link if the standard here is harder to pass that YouTube.

    In a letter to Stryder I state:
    "Look all I ask the moderators do is to look at the rules themselves and there were things like removing posts and links that could have been done prior to banning me. Especially for that YouTube post which was marginal, but it truly wasn't pornographic, for YouTube monitors it own pornography levels and does it pretty well.
    So had the link been removed and a verbal message sent I would have known what level you accept, for it certainly wasn't the worst that has been posted on this thread (and not by me).
    You have the rules for the forum but there is no indicator of the level to which is the cut off.
    Anything accepted by YouTube should be OK to have on the forum in my opinion."
    End of quote.

    In a letter to Bells I state:
    "It started with B/S trying to mock me by saying she had a dream come true "she fed her cat".
    I tried to show her how stupid that was when she'd normally feed her pussy every day, for then how would she know which occasion satisfied the dream? And it deteriorated from there.

    My fix was getting over the previous 2 day ban. - Nothing to do with sex, but because the YT was linked at that point, it was a double message. Had it been a Christian song you wouldn't have thought anything of it.

    Now the YT was sensual but it was not sexual or pornographic for those with YT accounts and over 13.
    It had been on YT for 5 years and most like it. But I said even though it is not pornographic I personally have trouble watching it and staying pure in thought, and i was wondering how the other guys got on watching it?" End of quote.

    Just because it was likely to cause the feeling of arousal does that mean it was sexual? For there would be many things that cause arousal.

    I think there needs to be a clarification of how the policy is policed for there was no warning that the limit had been exceeded.

    I hope this helps the forum develop a fairer policy.

    Regards
    Robert
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  2. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    14,125
    Or they just haven't deleted it yet.

    This is a science forum, not a forum for sexy videos. There are plenty of other forums for that.
     
  4. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    It was on You Tube for 5 years and is one of the nicest videos one could watch, you could even show your mother and she wouldn't worry about it. The Beautiful Christian song thread covers all sorts of life situations. It's life, it's biological, it's science when it all boils down to it.
    It is not a sexy video, Did you not read that? The title is wild but the video is mild.

    This part of the site rules was followed correctly on my part. But see the rule "We reserve the right to remove links without notice." That seems to be the first step in telling a poster where the limit is. If they reposted the same link after having been warned it was offensive sure I can understand that may deserve a ban.

     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  6. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,069
  8. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    Well i thought I'd leave some of it up to you.

    So did you really have a dream of feeding your cat? That seems like rather a mundane dream, to the point I can barely believe your subconscious mind would be concerned with such a routine event.
    Or were you trying to make me look stupid since I was discussing premonitions?
    The post before i asked the forum:
    to which you responded immediately after:
    Did you ever consider that that statement was a strawman post?
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

    Messages:
    22,705
    Boundaries and what is and is not acceptable..

    How the hell can you think it is acceptable to PM anyone on this site, even moderators (ie me), to discuss or let them know how and why something got you off. And then top it off by asking said person if they found it arousing and whether it made them horny.

    No, really..

    How?

    Do you understand the concept of boundaries?

    I didn't respond to that last PM from you, Robittybob1, because frankly, as I advised my colleagues, it made me want to bleach my eyeballs. What the fuck is wrong with you? How could you even ask me such questions?

    What the fuck dude?

    WHAT THE FUCK!?

    As I advised you in the previous PM, the fact that you went on a bit of a rant about what got you off and how you liked anal porn, etc, in the thread and made comments like that to another poster in the thread, and then you link that video and said how you can't get through it without getting turned on, you actually have the gall to ask how or why it was pornographic because you can't tell what is or is not pornographic? So much so that you then respond to me by commenting about how it got you off, and then telling me what else arouses you and then asking me if it made me aroused as well.. I like how you leave that question to me out of your quote.

    Really?

    REALLY!?

    If that wasn't bad enough, you then post it in the forum and ask everyone if it's pornographic and what constitutes pornography...

    I am going to say this as a member and as a moderator.

    You are fucking pervert.
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,434
    Robittybob1, sometimes the best first step when you're in a hole is to quit digging.
     
  11. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    Your language is shocking Bells, I'm shocked. Totally shocked.
     
  12. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    Bells told me in one of the forums to write to this section of the Sciforums Science Forum regarding this issue. I didn't quite understand at the time, it would be thereafter discussed so openly. So is this the forum section where you can abuse each other without consequence?
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...m-Irrelavent&p=3121899&viewfull=1#post3121899
    It these points raised by Bells that were transferred to a PM for "safety".
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  13. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    @Bells - I have only quoted information that I wrote, and nothing of what you have said to me other than the original judgement
    ""1) You did post porn on this site and was banned for it.""
    for that is the point of this thread - was it pornography or not?

    Now in your "rant post" you make some quite unsubstantiable claims about me and I am rather horrified by some of the things you've said about me, for this forum has the tendency to believe whatever a moderator says without question, so shall we open up all our PMs to open examination by the forum so the truth of what was discussed can be read in full?
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

    Messages:
    22,705
    Really?

    Well I was shocked by your sending me a PM describing what makes you aroused and then asking me if it or anything else gets me aroused.

    You don't want to be sworn at?

    Stop acting like a pervert and then perhaps people won't swear at you.

    How can you not understand the very concept of boundaries and what is and is not acceptable? How? How, after it was explained to you in detail by me, can you still not get that your posts and then that link were deemed pornographic?

    Just because it is on youtube does not make it acceptable on this site.

    And as I explained to you, even though an administrator told you that you could post about your dreams, it does not mean you can post or describe your wet dreams. Not just because we don't want to know, but because it is inappropriate.

    How can you have difficulty understanding this?

    How can my saying that to you then result in your sending me a PM and describing to me how and what gets you aroused, asking me if it makes you aroused is what makes it pornographic and then.. really.. this just blows my mind.. asking me if it got me aroused and trying to find out what I find arousing.

    Really, you actually think this is appropriate?

    You don't understand how or why that is not appropriate?
     
  15. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    I wanted an explanation and not just a judgement. Especially why you didn't just remove the post and issue PM warning before a full on 7 day banning on top of the 2 days I had already incurred.
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  16. Bells Staff Member

    Messages:
    22,705
    Your link was pornographic. You were banned for it. The ban was extended when it was believed that you were attempting to bypass said ban with other accounts.

    To reiterate..

    It is not acceptable to post pornography on this site.

    It is not acceptable to discuss your sexual dreams or wet dreams on this site.

    It is not acceptable or appropriate to ask others about their wet dreams on this site.

    It is not acceptable or appropriate to discuss or tell others what gets you off or makes you horny or aroused on this site - because really, how or why this needs to be explained still astounds me.

    It is not acceptable or appropriate to ask others what makes them aroused or horny on this site.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

    I'll put it this way.

    We are all strangers to you.

    Would you walk up to a stranger and tell them what makes you aroused and ask them what makes them aroused?

    No, you would not. At least I hope you understand that. Do you understand that? Do you understand what is and is not appropriate in public?

    The reason you were banned is because what you posted - not just the link on its own, but also coupled with your posts about what turns you on, etc and what you like sexually - was inappropriate. This does not mean you get to PM me and ask me the same god damn thing. Really, how you thought that would have been appropriate or acceptable because it is in a PM is beyond me. It is not appropriate in a PM either. Understand?

    I don't know you. We are not even friends. That is the kind of question you ask your lover. Not complete strangers.

    To remind you of the rules and why you were banned:

    When you were told that you could post about your dreams, that did not mean you could also post in detail about your "sexual dreams", or as others see them, as your wet dreams. You were shocked I said that? You were shocked I told you that you should refrain from making such posts or posting such descriptions? Tough luck.

    I have wasted enough of my time trying to drill this into your thick skull.

    IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS YOUR SEXUAL DREAMS/WET DREAMS, WHAT AROUSES YOU, WHAT TURNS YOU ON, WHAT MAKES YOU HORNY ON THIS SITE. IT IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE TO ASK OTHERS ON THIS SITE, EITHER IN THE FORUM AND/OR BY PM WHAT TURNS THEM ON, WHAT MAKES THEM HORNY AND WHAT THEIR WET DREAMS ARE.

    Do you understand now?

    Do I need to put it in big letters and big colours for you to understand that it is inappropriate for you to act like a pervert on this site?

    Because what part of that do you still not god damn get?
     
  17. Balerion Banned Banned

    Messages:
    8,596
    Just ban this creep already. Jesus Christ.
     
  18. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    What has it got to do with you?
     
  19. Balerion Banned Banned

    Messages:
    8,596
    I'm a member of this site, and this site's quality has deteriorated steadily ever since you joined. The way you behave with the women on this site is borderline illegal, and you're a lying troll on top of that. We are better off without you.
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

    Messages:
    22,705
    You STILL don't get it.

    YES, it was pornography. That is why it was deleted and you were banned.

    Whatever claims I have made about you are not unsubstantiated. You did post porn on this site, after making a slew of posts which were wholly inappropriate. Since your return, in attempting to point out to you and again explain to you why it was not appropriate, you then sent me some PM's.

    I again explained why, in absolute detail, how and why it was not appropriate.

    Your last PM was, in one part, to explain to me what arouses you and why you found that particular video sexually arousing and then even went so far as to tell me what else turns you on and then you asked me if that turned me on as well.

    No, really.

    Who does that? Who PM's complete strangers and says crap like that?

    Believe me, my saying you are a pervert is not unsubstantiated. Just on that last PM alone.

    As for this forum believing what moderators say. Ha! Talk about ridiculous!
     
  21. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199


    So that is the question how is any post determined to be pornography? How does one know if it is pornographic or will be judged pornographic? This is the reason for this thread and you are not answering the question.

    Well when James R gets back I'll ask him again what will be allowed on the BCS thread.

    Who did that? It wasn't me.

    Bells get real. Who knows what people talk about in their PMs?

    Is that right, and you think that is clearly spelt out in the rules, is it?

    Who knows what a person could ask you out of the blue.

    That is surprising when you compare that to the questions you were asking me in the open forum.

    Well not in NZ we don't. Maybe your society is a bit narrow-minded.

    To remind you of the rules and why you were banned:



    I'll run it passed James R if I have to.

    I'm not thick!

    Does that same rule apply to everyone? How are you going to police that? You are being a bit over the top. Have you got the backing of the entire site management on this issue. It doesn't sound right to me. What is said in PMs is private. OK what is said in the open forum needs to be decent, I understand that.


    I want James R to make a stand here!

    Calm down Bells. You make it sound like it is only me who is behaving badly. I don't believe that. You are singling me out again.
     
  22. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    The question in the OP is still not answered "So that is the question how is any post determined to be pornography? How does one know if it is pornographic or will be judged pornographic? This is the reason for this thread and you are not answering the question."

    OK you are thinking of posting a photo or a YouTube link - how do you know if it will be deemed pornographic?
    There seems to be no real test.

    So some will get picked on and that will be used as an excuse to ban them. Prove to me that that scenario is not happening?
    The evidence shows that it is.
     
  23. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

    Messages:
    4,199
    Now you have stepped over the line but no one will do an iota to help me.

    You say I am a liar but cannot find an incident of this.

    "Deteriorated" - don't tell such BS. How could you ever prove that?

    "The way you behave with the women on this site is borderline illegal" What law are you talking about?

    You had better come up with some hard evidence of your claims otherwise apologise please.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page