Homosexuality - Nature or Nurture?

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  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    FACT: Shitting and pissing openly on the ground wherever they want occurs throughout the animal kingdom.
    FACT: Humans are animals.
    FACT: Shitting and pissing openly on the ground wherever they want is natural.

    FACT: Fucking occurs openly in front of any and all members of the same group in the animal kingdom.
    FACT: Humans are animals.
    FACT: Fucking openly in front of all other people is natural.

    ASIDE: Humans have evolved slightly from the above attutudes and therefore don't always condone whatever is "natural" ...animals OR humans.

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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Baron, I know you don't get it, but you actually just underlined (streightened, that is) Dywy's point.

    So we take it as you are in agreement with him. Great!

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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I think you're the one who misunderstands. Look at it this way, just because something is deemed "natural" doesn't mean we should do it. If homosexuality is "natural", fine ....that still doesn't mean that society should condone it. In the same way society does not condone shitting on the streets and sidewalks, society can and should not give approval for homosexual activities.

    Is that what and how you read my post? Or not?

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  7. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, we don't have to, but being natural means that generally society is OK with it. So if by a natural act nobody gets hurt, (unlike let's say killing the weaker) why shouldn't society accept it?

    By the way your analogy as usual sucks again. Shitting on the streets generally hurts someone (it is dirty and can cause illnesses) thus there is a perfectly logical explanation for society not to accept it.

    You really have to take a logic course...
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, that's not always true.
     
  9. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Can, for sure, society can do anything. You still haven't explained why we shouldn't approve of it? And please, no more analogies, you suck at them.

    So there is a "natural" act (happening in nature) that hurts nobody, but you want it be banned by society. Why, beside religious reasons???
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    How 'bout going naked?
    How 'bout running around naked, screaming and scratching your butt?

    Listen, if society wants to enact laws against things, then they can do it. Society, for the most part, deems homosexual acts as pervert sexual practices, and they don't like it, so they do what they can to eliminate the practice of it.

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  11. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Man, you are really trying hard, I will give you that...

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    I see, you are still working on an analogy. Well, certain people's nakedness hurts others' esthetic feelings, not to mention making stupid noises hurts my ears. So no, still not a good analogy.

    2 gay guys blowing each other quietly in their home doesn't bother me. A crazy fat old fart running around naked screaming hurts my little world.

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    Sure, that's what I said 2 posts ago. But my question was (and you have failed to answer it so far):

    Why SHOULD society ban homosexuality? Why? Again, we don't discuss if it can or can't, obviously as stated earlier society can make up any rules...
     
  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Just tryin' to have some fun on a Friday afternoon!

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    Why SHOULD society ban homosexuality? Let's break this down a little bit, because that one sentence isn't much good to reflect society.

    Society does NOT ban homosexuual acts in the privacy of someone's home.

    Society does ban homosexual acts in public, but they do that with heterosexuals, too, so no big deal, right?

    However, marriage and/or other social ideals and norms are banned or not permitted as according to the society's members feelings and votes. I, personally, would never allow same-sex marriage because it essentially shows that the society approves of those perversions! So as a personal issue, I'd fight same-sex marriage on just that ground alone ...I would not want anyone to think that I openly and willingly approved of homosexual acts.

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  13. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    No one can stop a person from choking the chicken or any of the other items we all can do.

    BUT ............... being honest to society, others and the children about what is natural and what is 'normal' is what the 'nature' of the matter should be left at.


    The politics of marriage, is for the birds!
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Then why didn't you also give the data point that the height the Empire State Building is 448.7 m?
    That's as relevant as your other "data points".

    My apologies: I mistakenly assumed you spoke English.

    Comparing THAT data is irrelevant.

    Ooh that's nasty of you.
    Idiot.

    No my apologies again.
    You're not an idiot.
    You haven't the brains to be an idiot.

    Strawman.

    I did answer the question.
    It is incalculable.
    Or are you under the false impression that gay people don't/ can't have children?

    Perfect description of you.
    Thanks for providing it.

    Wrong.


    That's the one.
    It's standard for homosexuality to appear in nature.

    No.

    Exceptions?
    So left-handed is unnatural?
    Ginger hair?
    Learn something before you post again.

    And you're too stupid to open your eyes and look past your own prejudices.
     
  15. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    Look, it is not seriously the homosexuals who are really at issue anymore. The question, at this point, is what to do with homophobes. Some of us don't really want to be around homophobes, and we are becoming increasingly uninclined to share a workplace with them. Employers are not as tolerant as they used to be toward employees who are abusive or discourteous toward others on the basis of their perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. In fact, homophobes are being fired from their jobs and socially excluded, left and right.

    The really important thing to me, in the 21st Century, is not how a person feels about gay people. As far as I am concerned, I don't really care if your views toward gay people are completely neutral or even slightly negative. I don't really give it a second thought if some otherwise decent person says, "well, I've found that gay people can be kind of annoying sometimes." I really don't. If you said this when you were simply asked your opinions toward gay people, fine.

    However, if viciously homophobic language is a part of your day-to-day speech or you actively treat gay people like dirt, I am not going to bother judging you for it. You made yourself an utter pariah for me the minute you opened your mouth, and you may as well have pulled out a revolver and shot yourself in the head, for all that I give a fuck about you. You are an inanimate object that annoys me and gets in the way sometimes. No, I am going to be judging others, and I am going to be judging them based on whether or not they tell you to shut the fuck up, and quit embarrassing yourself in front of everybody.

    I don't really care very much anymore what your feelings are toward gay people. However, if you see some gay guy being pushed around, say something. At that point, it's a measure of human decency, not just how "liberal" and "forward-thinking" you are, kay? If there is some jerk who keeps making negative, out-of-context remarks about gay people, then tell the asshole that you are sick and tired of hearing about what he thinks of the gay people. You would probably say something on behalf of anyone else that you're not exactly crazy over.
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I gave up because you are not answering the question. You were talking about gay marriage, which WASN'T the issue...
     
  17. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Can the ignorance.

    He can have a nice husband, some nice adopted children, and true family happiness, if that is what he wants and has the commitment and responsibility to make it work.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I know I don't speak for everyone, but I can honestly say that I do speak for some of my friends and acquaintances ...most of us don't care one way or the other about the person's sexual practices. But what bothers the fuck outta' most of us is ....having it shoved in our faces all the fuckin' time.

    There's gay parades, gay coming out day, gay day, gay night parades, gay christmas shows, gay computers day, take your gay to work day, gay pride day, gay......... All the fuckin' time! Can't you see that, to us, it's nothing but shoving your sexual perversions in our faces? All the freakin' time.

    You don't see parades celebrating men eating pussy day, do you? Do you see women parading in "Cock sucking day" parades? No, of course not, ...because they keep it in the freakin' house/bedroom where it belongs.

    I agree. And I've never knowingly allowed anyone to push people around when I could do something about it ...regardless of their sexual orientation. But just because I help him out of a mess is no sign that I'm interested in becomeing his "friend".

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  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I've talked about every other part of being gay and of society's laws and rules, and everything else I can think of. If I haven't anwered your questions by now, then I don't know what they are or ....?

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  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    US society does, in many if not most states. They are often felony crimes.
    You have the argument backwards, as usual.

    The assertion, by the bigots, is that homosexuality is unnatural. The observation is that it is not. The bigots need another assertion, is all. That one is nonsense.
     
  21. mike47 Banned Banned

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    If you do not like some foods...it has nothing to do with religions . So people do not like many acts in their society .
     
  22. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    Well, I can see how that can get annoying, and I don't always approve of how the gay rights people market their agenda. The thing is, gay people are in the really fucked-up position of being forced to publicize their issues in order to keep from being screwed over by the religious right. Unfortunately, gay men are just like men everywhere: they get really stupid and silly about anything related to sex. It's kind of challenging to keep the focus of the agenda around the needs of our families. I am one of those people who would prefer more modest, practically minded ad schemes.

    The flaming, rainbow gay pride bullshit is just creating more ammo for the religious right bastards who are going to cherry-pick examples of PRIDE marches for unflattering content, so they can keep the rest of their congregations convinced that we're a bunch of lunatics.

    I think the majority of our television ads should be some gay couple saying, "hey, most of us are nice people, but we have a little problem with these religious right guys. Would some of you guys please be good neighbors, and help stand up for our rights?" and maybe show a few photographs or chatter about their church lives or something. Nothing overly emotive; there is a point where THAT gets annoying. Just a simple, "hey, help a brother out, wouldja?" The more in-your-face dramatic or flamboyant it is, the more it's going to piss off relatively decent Americans like yourself, who MIGHT have seen a more friendly, brotherly type of ad and said, "Oh, yeah, I'll, like, make a note of that or something."

    Because people like me are not really asking for a lot here. I don't know about other gay people, but typical, everyday thoughtfulness and human decency are the BIG issues for me. I don't really have the same rights or status in society as you do, and that really hurts, man. People are out there, trying to pass these anti-gay laws that are there just to make me feel shitty. I'm not saying give a fuck; I'm saying give half a fuck, please? I don't even think that I am ENTITLED for you to give a fuck, and I think that you should decide in your own time whether you WANT to give half a blistered, wart-ridden fuck. I am throwing the issue of whether you give half a fuck, a whole fuck, two fucks, a microfuck, or no fucks at all complety on whether you think I'm a nice, decent guy who deserves for you to give a little bit of a fuck.

    Shit, if you don't give a half a fuck either way, that's a tremendous improvement over how things were ten years ago. I think you're still a perfectly decent human being if you stay that way until the universe goes from heat death. And maybe, someday, it won't be NECESSARY for people like me to go around asking people to give half a fuck. I said "please," though, and that makes it special.
     
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  23. mike47 Banned Banned

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    Correction : she and NOT he can have a nice husband.....

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    Why does a queer adopt a child...just to increase the queers population ? !.

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    . Family happiness in a weido environment...?....:crazy:: !!.
     

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