Hearing voices?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Swavey, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Things in dreams can seem real and yet make little sense. Unless these voices are very accurate you must assume they are either lying or your mind has created them

    If you want support for a non schizophrenic diagnosis by all, you've come to wrong forum.
     
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  3. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    I look at hearing voices as simply a scenario the brain has the capacity to do. It would be like someone putting a little program on your cell phone that will periodically cycle through the ring tones. It can be done, since the cell phone has the capacity to do each step needed. Audio hallucinations only need to make use of the circuits where the audio input from the ears interfaces the brain. It will sound like an external voice.

    Doing science from the outside the mind makes this spookier than it is. It would be like a the cell phone ringing random ring tones and we do not known this is done with software. It would seem possessed and need to be quarantined or dismantled to find the hardware glitch.
     
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  5. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I hear voices, or what I describe as the thoughts of others as they are not auditory of the supernatural variety. They claim teleportation and other natural abilities protected by the secret illuminati. I have seen fire ignite from thin air, and smoke three times. Also, I have had people react to my thoughts directly. The smoke and fire can be hallucinations, but the direct response to thoughts is to real to me.
     
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  7. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    What people don't seem to take into consideration is that if the brain manifests an internal voice it will actually be burning energy, which means active use cells would be identifiable through the usage of EMI.

    This means that it would be possible to identify an external source by shielding EMI equipment from external manipulation (While EMI systems usually are shielded, the shields are designed for the EM Frequencies which aren't the only ones in play when a person is being manipulated) Unfortunately the current consensus of Psychiatrists and psychologists tends to mean they skip any attempt at "ruling out" external influences, they are likely to claim that running EMI's on anyone with a voice is "Costly" and perhaps "Non-productive", So such doctors are essentially apart of the problem not the solution.
     
  8. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If you are truly hearing that Kx000 don't believe a word of it, any nonsense they output is purely to keep you from knowing the actual truth about who they really are and what they are really up to. They might try to make you believe they are Illuminati, Scientologist's, Ghosts, Demons, Angels, Aliens, Men in Black and make you think that you can Manipulate others through Mind Control, Telepathy and other assorted paraphernalia.

    But really they (Those particular irresponsible humans that are being criminally negligent in their operations.) are just spoilt kids that got way too far through the academies from lieing, cheating and stealing. It's the downside of any Fraternity movements. If they were exposed for who they really are you'd realise why such sociopath's have been hiding in plain sight.
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine a world, a fiction if you can...Imagine a world that is progressing from conventional communications [ analogue for want of a better word] to telepathic. Imagine that the world has been evolving this capacity for over 10,000 years and as yet due to inherent fears and paranoia has failed to manifest in a consistent, testable and useable fashion.
    Imagine that we as humans know so little about HOW WE FUNCTION individually and socially...

    Then have another think about things like hearing other living peoples voices, reaction to your thoughts etc. and especially the amount of fear out there that someone is going to find out their secrets.

    It is primarily the fear factor that drives this dilemma IMO

    something that comes to mind is:
    "being non-normal is not the same as being abnormal..."

    Most of the "normal" people I have talked to have all said that they hear their own voice inside their heads. They would never talk about it because of the fear associated with hearing voices. Yet hear them they do. 2 billion odd Catholics get on their knees every week to pray using their inner voice silently speaking to themselves and their God... They hear their prayers as they speak them inside their heads.
    So the hearing of voices is not the actual issue IMO, it is being in proper control of that voice that may be.
    One of the greatest fears is loosing control of your own voice [ both analogue and mental ]...and the it's the intense fear that drives the beast so to speak.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    From what I have observed in solitary birds such the parrot variety it appears that they have more than one source happening for their garbled chatter. Talking to themselves is like talking to a chorus.
    I refer this to Budgie Speak. Where by a person will drop volition and allow his voice to be used by another entity. Thereby facilitating telepathic communication. In fact I have a Dictaphone recording of one such demonstration. This can happen inside your head via sub vocalizations [and appear external in source] or analogue , [outside] your head using your own physical voice.
    Obviously this can not occur unless the person has enormous trust in the reality of what he/she is doing. Often this trust is destroyed due to fearful reactions and the rest is a history of psych wards and meds.
     
  11. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I can't see that sort of world, however I can see how the US Navy has studied Dolphins for the usage of mine clearance and likely took into consideration the dolphins ability to use Sonar and actively create an artificial Sonar effect through Bone reverberation of people within an active Doppler environment. (Battlefields of the future are going to be within the confines of a Radiological array one way or another, after all without dopplers being used how do you think a drone would function remotely?)

    Such methods used in a theatre of war would potentially allow for reconnaissance not just against a posed enemy but also of their own troops to make sure that international laws are not violated.
    There are other positive uses like for instance using the equipment to create a communication with someone that is being held hostage, it would be possible to identify how a hostage can aid in their own escape or rescue. It could also be used on UN Weapons inspectors to make sure that they can't be corrupted or miss things that should otherwise be investigated.

    However maintaining a clandestine shroud about the usage of such equipment and the abuse of those it victimises leaves it open for exploitation, for instance puppet governments can be formulated where Leaders assume they made the decision on behalf of their public but in reality there decision was something fed to them from another governments counter-intelligence department, a person could gain wild political views and be seen a terrorist threat from being "Groomed" into becoming a stereotypical labelled threat, Assassins could be made from any common person from any walk of life if the right dynamics has been applied (This i'm pretty damn sure has been a number of times with such assassins being seen as just "mentally unstable"), Then there is the more civil concerns that are either directly mandated or indirectly such as theft, abuse, rape, murder etc.

    In fact you could ask "Did the likes of Mitnick/McKinnon/Mannings/Assange/Snowden (and half of 4Chan) all make their own decisions or was there a larger conspiracy of puppet play afoot? "

    Incidentally while British I occasionally pick up on both European and American (Canadian too) Accents being used, so while what I've stated here might seem focused on just the US, the reality is a far larger picture in regards to "super-powers" and their conflict of interests.
     
  12. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Swavey, if you are still following this:

    I have a "voice" that I can communicate with... though it's less of a voice and, in my own personal opinion, more of a guardian spirit. He has a distinct personality and character and those around me are able to tell when he asserts himself over my own psyche, something he has only done without permission in situations of extreme peril in which grievous bodily harm could come to me or mine. He has stopped me several times from losing myself to a sort of mad frenzy I used to enter whenever I would get into a physical fight, at one point wresting control from me to prevent me from crushing the windpipe of one of my high-school tormentors. The most interesting part of him, though, is that it is a two way communication. I can communicate with him while fully awake. He is aware of what is going on when I am in control, and vice versa, though the few times he has wrested control of I have, essentially, blacked out. Whenever I have given control over willingly (mostly as experiments to see just what was going on after the first time he asserted himself) I am able to see and hear what it going on... my senses of taste, smell, and touch are there, but dulled.

    It is... interesting, to say the least. Given that he has kept me safe or provided guidance in several situations I was unsure as to how to act/react, I can only call him my guardian... though through talking with him, he is no angel.
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    With out wishing to down play the significance of your relationship with your guide, I wanted to say as you already know there are many people who have had similar and are having similar experiences. IT is no stretch of the imagination to realize that a friendship of this type is all well and good IF and I mean IF that "friend holds the integrity of your ID and freewill to be sacred.
    Unfortunately some persons feel their freedom is achieved at the cost of someone elses and tend to try to subvert, overwhelm or other wise control their receptive supplicant with out proper regard to the integrity of their freewill and ID.
    When this happens the inevitable fight for control ensues leading to all sorts of issues as demonstrated in the Global population generally. Eg. The use of Chem WMD's in Syria. etc

    One way persons in the occult deal with the reality [with some degree of success] is to only consider their spirit realm paradigm in positive terms thus attempting to avoid the not so positive. This allows the negatives to manifest due to the fear of the negatives and IMO is NOT the best path to take.

    A grounded, balanced, reality based premise is essential for successfully coping with so called "spiritual" or telepathic communications which extend well beyond having just a chat or two...and can manifest it what the old church would have referred to as possession.

    We all "possess" each other to certain extent as a way of facilitating normal social function it is when this possession is realized into the conscious world that fear and paranoia manifest [all Global parties included] causing that natural and normally benign subconscious possession to become rather nasty on occasions.
     
  14. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    *nods* That's one thing that has kept me feeling safe in all this - with the rare exception/situation when I was in significant peril, I have never felt pressured to turn over control of myself to him. It has always been a very open communication and always a very... dare I say pleasant feeling? Like knowing you are utterly safe.
     
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting!
    Can I ask?
    Do you think that he is also consciously experiencing similar from his perspective?
    In my lingo I refer to this as "emulation" or a form of "reflective imitation" so not really a possession persee.
     
  16. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    He is aware of what is happening to me when he is not actively in control in so much as he has full access to my senses, but he cannot (or perhaps more appropriately, does not) delve into my memories directly. As far as him feeling trapped in my body, no, he is able to come and go as he pleases... it is odd, the sensation of him leaving is like that of a slight static tingle across the back of my neck stretching up to the middle of my skull. What is fascinating is that, while I was in the hospital recently for a simple procedure that went wrong (and very nearly very, very wrong), my wife stated nothing unusual showed up on any of the monitoring equipment that was hooked up besides a momentary spike in my heartrate, but after I had regained consciousness I got a quick reassurance that everything was in fact okay... considering i had gone under anesthesia for what should have been a 30 minute procedure and woke up almost a day and a half later... needless to say I was a bit disoriented (also, damn, the night terrors that stuff caused were brutal!)
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    An extraordinary telling, and I have no doubt about your sincerity nor the validity of the experiences you have said.

    lot's of questions but alas, perhaps, it is not best to delve too deeply at the moment.

    Recently there was news in the mainstream media of a lady in a public USA hospital inexplicably dying in child birth along with her child. Apparently clinically dead for a few minutes when the living husband picked up the deceased child to nurse it, his wife returned to consciousness and shortly after that the child let out it's first cry. Needless to say the attending physician and nurses where totally floored by what happened. This occurred about 2.5 years ago. If I can find the news story I shall post a link.

    What I believe may have occurred was that the incredibly distraught husband in a prayer for his own death, surrendered his being/his life to his wife and child and in doing so and not realizing he empowered his existent "possession" of them and managed somehow to restore their heart beats.
    I have read no follow up stories since.

    A rather amazing story...
    Humans are far more complex and yet paradoxically simple than we can possibly imagine...
     
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  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Along similar lines:

    Although unconfirmed:

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  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    oh dear! have you done any research into what the doctors think about this sort of outcome? 30minutes into approx. 36hours... gosh! [with no history of neg. anesthesia reactions I bet]
     
  20. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    OH, it wasn't the anesthesia that was the problem... I have a condition known as Eosinophilic Esophagitis, in which the white blood cells in my throat cause it to inflame and constrict. As a result, I had a bit of food get stuck and the impacted. I went to the hospital (it has happened before, generally they can either use medicine to induce vomiting or, if that doesn't work, use a scope to push the blockage thru) and instead of calling the on-call GI team (as it was about 9pm) they decided to have me wait, unable to swallow so much as my own spit, until the GI team came back in at 7am. This made the situation worse as my throat continued to get more inflamed and constricted. When the GI team came in, put me under, and attempted to remove the blockage, they were unable to do so with a small flexible scope, so they decided to use a rigid scope. This ended up tearing and perforating my esophagus.

    I ended up being transferred to another hospital with better equipment. There they removed the blockage and assessed the damage to my esophagus. I ended up spending a week in the hospital (not allowed to eat or drink anything for half of that time) while my esophagus healed...

    What has me riled up is the total failure to follow protocol the first hospital had... and the fact that after I was transferred, my wife was told, point blank, that if the area they thought had torn in my throat was in fact perforated the entire way through, there was a good chance if I went into surgery it would end poorly... apparently esophageal tears/punctures are difficult and dangerous to try to repair, but I was given roughly 50/50 odds if I had had to go into surgery. Thankfully the tear didn't go the entire way thru the esophagus and there were only a few pinprick sized perforations which were able to heal on their own... but yeah... I'm weighing the options of filing for malpractice given just how much the first hospital messed up...
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    A terrible experience no doubt..
    Can I ask?
    Are you familiar with the importance of the epiglottis to someone, say, training in martial arts? or those who practice higher forms of yoga?
    and how it relates to "anger", and other intense emotions?
     
  22. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Per chance are you referring to the practice of Ujjayi Pranayama in which you partially obstruct the opening of the throat with your Epiglottis to give your breathing "voice"?
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Indirectly yes.
    Have you practiced this technique?
     

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