Hash is healthy!

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and only recently have the long term effects of marijuana use especially in those who started at a young age, beome apparent.

    "The researchers then examined specific brain cells in the rats, including the opioid and cannabinoid receptors. They found that the rats that had been given THC during adolescence had a significantly altered opioid system in the area associated with reward and positive emotions. This is also the area linked to addiction.

    “These are very specific changes and they are long-lasting, so the brain may ‘remember’ past cannabis experimentation and be vulnerable to harder drugs later in life,” Hurd says."

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9488-why-teenagers-should-steer-clear-of-cannabis.html

    "The proportion of admissions for primary marijuana abuse increased from 6% in 1992 to 64% percent of admissions in 2002. Almost half (46 percent) of the people admitted for marijuana were under 20 years old. Of those admitted for treatment for primary marijuana dependence, 56 percent had first used the drug by age 14, and 26 percent had begun by age 12."

    http://www.justthinktwice.com/factfiction/MarijuanaisHarmless.cfm


    "Dr Ian Oliver, independent consultant to the UN Drug Control Programme, said cannabis on the market today was 10 times stronger than that smoked by the "flower power" generation of the Sixties. "The result is doped-up kids who lose all motivation to do anything except lie in bed," he said."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/08/npuff08.xml
     
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  3. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    i have never disputed that marijuana is a gateway drug.
     
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  5. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    a couple of things about this.
    the first is since some states are legalizing thc for medical use it only stands to reason that more people would be willing to try the drug.

    second do you have any first hand experience with marijuana other than what you read?
    high concentrations of thc can give first time users a feeling of impending death and panic attacks. that fact in combination with the above can lead to these conclusions.
     
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  7. Sci-Phenomena Reality is in the Minds Eye Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I say live and let live, if I want to smoke pot and you don't want me to, you can go fuck a monkey.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes use has increased in all countries where laws are laxer.

    This is not admission data for first-time users; it is admission data for marihuana abusers related to their first time use.

    (PS tried it once, just like cigarettes, that's all; have worked almost 5 years in hospital though and seen abusers)
     
  9. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    People who "work in the hospital and see abusers" should be kept away from all policy discussions. They only get to see the worst of it, make false assumptions about it, and make false contributions to public policy. Also, I don't believe you, Sam.
     
  10. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    then you, of all people, should know that marijuana, in relation to other drugs, is as safe as aspirin.

    check at your hospital for deaths caused soley from marijuana overdose.
    also check for the number of fatal car accidents that have been caused soley from marijuana use and compare those to the ones caused by alcohol.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Leopold99:
    " marijuana, in relation to other drugs, is as safe as aspirin"

    And aspirin comes with the side effects written on the package; does marijuana?

    That's all I want; that people who are willing to use it are AWARE of the possible effects.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Here is Exhibit A
     
  13. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Sam may have a title, but the trouble is, he or she has not learned about the problems caused by a selective view of the evidence, or by mixing evidence. Sam also employs the usual wrong-headed method of blaming problems caused by other drugs on marijuana, pretending that such a view is valid because of marijuana's "gateway effect." This allows the use of so-called evidence that would otherwise have no connection. If she could somehow "connect" the use of marijuana with thallium toxicity, then she would be able to lay the symptoms of thallium toxicity at marijuana's door and insist on that as if it is the revealed word of God. No, wait, they did something like that on an episode of House already. Marijuana use causes thallium toxicity because the person who sells you the marijuana might grow it on the one acre on the entire planet that has signficiant thallium contamination.

    So, like a classic Anslinger story, if two people share a case of illegal and probably poisonous hooch and a few joints, then shoot each other, it's the fault of the marijuana, never minding how frequent such occurrences were without the use of marijuana.

    Some people read "Reefer Madness", a book about those dirty politics, and see that as a warning and as a situation to be corrected. People like Sam and Relativity apparently see it as a manual for correct conduct, as if yellow journalism and dirty politics are correct ways to help administrate a society. Maybe dirty stuff like that has always been routine.
     
  14. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    You're not helping your case any.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    At least I have evidence; you're just moaning like a dog at the moon
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So what age did you start smoking weed, MegaCon?
     
  17. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Funny, you don't seem to be able to make anyone go schwing.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Metakron, can you focus for a moment please? The debate here is 'Hash is Healthy'. Various people are presenting cases that it is not. Evidence has been offered that it has side effects. Personal testimony has been made to that effect, but you come up with;

    Just WTF are you on? Stay blinkered to the downside, and pretend it's not there? When you want to start stifling the truth, you know you cannot honestly make your case, and need to lie, and decieve. This much the drug has done to you already!

    Leopold is banging on about the non-fatality of Cannabis, and the relative safety vs proven pharmaceuticals. Again, not the debate! It's not whether Cannabis is fatal, or causes fatal car crashes (although there is evidence to show that Cannabis does contribute to the number of road deaths each year!) those are straw man arguments.

    ManmadeflyingSaucer, despite many and various statements made by various people, thinks we seek to completely ban Cannabis. That must be his attention deficit and lack of short term memory showing; I have stated that not to be the case at least twice.

    Prolonged Cannabis use does cause mental health issues, and some are evident on this very thread!
     
  20. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    well since you put it that way phlo you are correct.
    hash will not turn you into superman.
     
  21. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    are you talking about recreational use or abuse?
    any drug no matter which one will cause mental disorders if abused.
     
  22. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    There is a reason why I have Phlogistician on ignore.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    We are talking about abuse of course and I am focusing mainly on the requirement to legalize it so as to keep it out of the hands of adoloescents, and also the need to explore possible effects, so that recreational users (including pregnant women) have sufficient information to be able to decide how much and when they want to use it. This is especially important if the drug is legalized, since that will increase the number of people willing to try it.
     
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