Hallucinations caused by Cannabis

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  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Feeling sorry is the mark of a moral beast.
     
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  3. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    Not true. I've bought weed that was laced with crack when I was in Detroit, not on purpose either. People do it because retards think they're getting higher because it better weed, or just don't care it's laced, and come back. Before they know it, they're a crackhead.
    No horseshit. Caffeine definitely gets you high. It's a stimulant, and it can also make you less anxious in a social environment, like alcohol. Drink 3 or 4 20oz Red Bulls and see for yourself.
    It can, I started smoking tabacco because of the light headedness that it gave me. Trying to quit now though.
    You know that cocaine does the same thing(among other things)? There's a large minority of cokeheads who are in it for the stimulant buzz.
    What's wrong with being stoic?
    Weed is illegal and much more available to kids, just saying.
    Smoking raises your metabolism from what I understand. Just an example of a potential benefit. And your forgot that caffeine gives you a buzz.
    Sugar? You mean that sweet stuff they take from the maize? Or the stuff they make vodka with.
    Isn't tobacco a plant that literally poisons the soil it's grown in? Even if it causes no cancers,that can't be good to puit into your body.
    What exactly do you mean by that(the term always seemed weird to me and I'm not sure what is the correct way to use it) . Surely it can be a gateway drug sometimes. Even if it's just that a certain crowd you smoke with does other drugs too, and after coming to the conclusion that it doesn't do so much harm to your friends you decide to try it. Or in a more malicious scenario, due to how you obtain it, what it someone laces your weed with something super addictive?
     
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  5. John99 Banned Banned

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    Cocaine is different than caffeine and coke changes after awhile. Takes a few years but hell i know people who go hide in a closet from coke...very creepy shit.

    I would never drink red bull myself and never have but caffeine may make a person jittery but i would not apply the word "high" to it.
     
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  7. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    Would you be accepting of the word 'buzz'; because I hardly believe you could deny that it alters the way you think, feel, and act. Or at least, have you ever done an experiment to check and see if you act different when your high on caffeine than when you're sober?
     
  8. John99 Banned Banned

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    I drink coffee but have not today. No change at all, no buzz at all but if i drink too much i can get jittery. I pretty much got used to it and all i may get is a headache. A "buzz" alters perception, caffeine definitely does not do this to me.
     
  9. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    You keep circling this like a buzzard circling a road kill, so I will address it for you.

    Crap Mexican brick weed retails for maybe $200 an ounce. Crap Mexican black tar heroin (an addictive substance) retails for maybe $50 a gram. Lets say it takes smoking 1/2 gram of heroin to get the average person stoned. That means that someone who wishes to improve the stone from cheap Mex schwag will need to dump what - 10 or 15 grams of that cheap heroin into an ounce of crap weed to make it strong enough to impress the buyer. That will then add $500 - $750 to the cost of each oz of scwag, bringing the retail price up to nearly $1000 an ounce? Kinda pricey for dirt weed, ain't it? There would be no way to hide that it had been dosed with black tar heroin either. Same thing if it was cocaine powder. If it was PCP or paradichlorobenzene (moth balls) word would get around very quickly and that person would be lucky if they were only out of business. Folks that do bogue things to street peeps around here get....disciplined.

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    The same thing with adding cocaine or any other decent smokable drug - you end up with very expensive dirt weed, which is why weed dealers don't (generally) do that. There is always someone ready to do something stupid, of course, but enhancing shit weed is costly, complicated and problematic for the long term profit the dealer is looking for. Better to just sell decent weed in the first place.

    We have an endless train of garbage trucks crossing the border with Canada every day. 2 Have been busted at the border chock full of garbage bags full of prime Canadian bud. This is current high - grade strain cannabis grown in Canada with the best technology available. When it gets to Detroit it sells for as much as $750 an ounce. It is top quality cannabis. That is what your' hypothetical tainted schwag would be competing with. Then there are the domestic suppliers that grow in our old abandoned factory buildings. Same high quality, lower price. They are tolerated as long as they don't steal the electricity. 2 that did have been busted here in the last 2 weeks. There are plenty of others still going strong though.

    No, it does not make economic sense to adulterate a bag of weed. Even Mex schwag sells briskly out there straight up, bugs and all. Like any other business, the weed business depends on repeat customers. That means there is a minimum standard for the product that the seller must guarantee or he/she will lose their client base. If they get bogue, someone will drop a dime on them and they are out of business.

    Now, accidental contamination with pesticides and the like is another story alltogether. One that can only be addressed by complete legalization so the whole process can be supervised from start to finish.
     
  10. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    Caffeine has been to found to aid concentration but hinder wider thinking. I would consider quitting if I was you.
     
  11. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    Stoniphi. You may think you have a scientific basis for why small amounts of additives would not enhance the weed, but I know of dealers who do just that, and have had reasonable results. A drug that the consumer never normally takes can have a little short term hit, which can affect addiction if laced into weed.
     
  12. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Fascinating reposte, if anecdotal. Your' understanding of that subculture and market is markedly different from mine.

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    Believe what you wish.

    No. If it did, tobacco farmers would all be out of business. While tobacco contains nicotine, it is just one of many plants that do. Nicotine is like any other substance, it has costs and benefits. Nicotine and tobacco are not synonymous.
     
  13. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    Now I myself do not smoke but I am a chemist (well almost anyway) so I do feel an obligation here.

    This method is going to be both ineffective and dangerous when compared with a butane extraction and here's why.

    Every one knows that oil and water do not mix. The reason for this is because water is polar molecule and oil is a non-polar molecule. THC and may other canabinoids are also non-polar molecules meaning that they do not dissolve in water very well, if at all. Alcohol is also a very polar molecule.

    Now boiling the mixture does increase the solubility of these molecules, but not to the extent of just using a non-polar solvent in the first place. This also introduces other issues. When you heat up a substance it becomes more reactive so boiling the alcohol would actually increase the amount of secondary reactions that you would get which will destroy some of the product. Also, alcohol is very flammable so heating it up introduces a great big fire/explosion hazard which is generally not something you want in your home. After that you have to boil away the alcohol to get the stuff you want out of it which is still a fire hazard.

    The butane method would be a cold extraction with a non-polar solvent which will both increase the yield (non-polar and non-polar mix) and decrease the secondary reactions because the evaporating butane will be very cold. You also don't have to boil away the butane because it evaporates in the air very quickly. However, the butane itself is extremely flammable (at least a much as boiling alcohol anyway) do you would have to take precautions against sparks and stay away from heat sources, but the same can be said of boiling alcohol.

    I hope this bit of info helps, if your going to be a deviant you can at least do it safely!

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  14. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    So, basically, for the less chemistry-experiment inclined, making marijuana-spiked salad dressing, sprinkling it on a pizza, or mushing it into your guacamole several hours prior to serving, would allow for a good extraction as well?

    Edited to add: we have had a randomly growing tobacco plant come up every year...last year by the septic tank.

    No telling if or where it'll come up from seed this year.

    Does not poison the plants around it, nicotine's an insecticide (neurotoxin, I believe) not an herbicide.
     
  15. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

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    Only the salad dressing would technically be an extraction and you would maybe want to heat up it up with the olive oil alone a bit first (not boiling/smoking just too hot to comfortably touch). The other methods are just eating it lol (i.e. ground it up fine first till its like oregano powder).
     
  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Probably not, no.

    If you don't want to get into serious chemistry or mess with toxic chemicals, the way to go is to produce weed butter or oil. You basically grind up some weed and mix it in with melted butter or oil, and simmer it for a few hours. Then you strain the result to remove the plant matter, and stick the butter in the fridge to congeal. If you're fancy, use a double-boiler or just mix the whole thing with water directly and then skim off the cooled butter at the end. You can then use the butter/oil in any recipe that calls for them - that being how one makes proper weed brownies or cake. Simply mixing loose marijuana into a brownie mix doesn't work so well. Poke around for butter recipes on the internet - there's an entire cookbook somewhere that covers all of this in great detail, including how much ingredients to use to get what kinds of effects.

    But unless you have some aversion to smoking, making butter or oil is not a very efficient use of the weed. You'll need to use quite a lot, and while the result can be very potent it won't go as far as smoking the original product would have. Most people who do this are either against smoking, or are growers who have large quantities of shake from the harvest/trimming process. I certainly wouldn't spend the money for an ounce of chronic just to make a cake with it.
     
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  17. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    No, that's an old wive's tale used to scare teenagers. Acid flashbacks are an entirely psychological phenomenon - there doesn't seem to be any pharmacological basis for them at all. It's more like a PTSD episode, and not an actual drug-induced effect. Unless it's been adulterated with something nasty, LSD doesn't exhibit much of any physiological dangers - which isn't to say that it can't cause psychological problems, especially in those predisposed to them, but psychological problems are just that: in your mind, not your body.
     
  18. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    If I ever did any again it might be a special occasion thing. A treat.

    But I'm not going to do that to my lungs, not even once. They're already scarred enough.
     
  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense. Oil dissolves very well in alcohol, particularly hot alcohol. You bake the herbs at a low temp to convert the precursors into orally active TCH. Then you use a double boiler on an electric range with lots of water and good ventilation, and only about a cup of alcohol. Boiled for 20 minutes then strained, what is left is a brown, highly alcoholic extract, which you drink in your beer or shot. It's very effective, perhaps too effective. 3 eyedroppers full will make you stoned for several hours, 8 eyedroppers will keep you very stoned all day long.
     
  20. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Quad, you are quite right about the butter, makes a great spread on bread, however the green color is a bit strange. Also, not having the usual gritty brownies is a big plus.

    Extracting oil with butane works great. The better the weed you use the more oil you will get per volume of weed used. Using a coffee grinder on the weed first will increase your yield, however the leftovers will be hard to sell. If you want to leave the weed in nice buds, use a slightly larger diameter PVC pipe and when you are done stripping the oil off,the buds will still look the same as what you started with and they will even still get you high.
     
  21. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Cannabinoids will dissolve quite readily in either high - concentrate alcohol or in oils, they will not dissolve at all in water.

    "Budder" is very popular with folks who wish to consume but do not smoke. It is an effective way to obtain the active ingredients as well. Grinding is not really necessary, though removing the stalks and stems first would make it less messy to strain after.

    Butane honey oil - BHO - is likely the most efficient way to get all of the active ingredients out of the herb, but is very hazardous to do and you are releasing raw butane into the atmosphere. On the flip side though, it takes very little BHO to get stoned, many consumers just stir a drop into their tea or include it in a recipe. Compassionate Care in Montana sells lollipops that contain BHO and NoCal manufactures BHO chocolate truffles that are available in dispensaries.

    "Green Dragon" is also very effective. The 95% ethanol Everclear likely pulls most all of the active ingredients from the bud. Boiling is not necessary. Many cannabis affectionados do a 'quick isopropal wash' extraction they call "QUISO" that obtains most all of the active ingredients as well, but one must be careful to evaporate ALL of the isopropal alcohol before consuming the product.

    Another alternative extraction/concentration method is to make Bubble Hash, where the cured bud is mashed and stirred in a bucket of ice water then poured through a series of straining bags - Bubble Bags - to obtain the then - solid trichome gland heads. The result is a very high grade of hashish. Alternatively, the dried bud can be sieved through a fine screen to obtain the gland heads. There are commercial extractors available that do this very effectively, like the O'Kief, manufactured in the Netherlands. The resulting 'pollen' can then be pressed into hashish or washed with alcohol which is then evaporated to obtain a very pure grade of green oil.

    Producers that take pride in the products they make do not sell the processed plant material, they compost it. The cannabis industry is like any other industry. While there are some few unscrupulous individuals, there are many more who take great pride in their product and do everything as right as they can.

    The information on how to do it right is all over the Internet and the US federal government ongoing attempt to repeal the law of supply and demand with cannabis prohibition has put firm price controls on the end product assuring the investor a substantial return on their investment.
     
  22. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    I found out after the fact. Didn't worry me especially that it may be true. It kind of made sense because traces of drugs can be left in hair for instance, and LSD is very potent. But I have been assured by you and others that this is not true so I'll let it go. May try digging a little on the net.
     
  23. livingin360 Registered Senior Member

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    My brother has smoked week from the time he wakes up till he goes to bed for the last 6 months and he has told me some pretty strange stuff. He told me recently that sometimes his brain will branch off into 3 streams of consciousness at once and start disputing a subject among the different consciousnesses. It reminds me of a split brain patient. He also has told me about auditory and visual hallucinations. I used to do it often but i never encountered that. It just created a anxiety disorder that has lasted for over 3 years for me even after quiting.
     
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