Greatest I Am's anti-religion thread

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Greatest I am, May 3, 2017.

  1. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    Then I suggest you call them "free thinkers" or something similar, not "gnostic Christians". Because, obviously, radical Muslims are not the same as gnostic Christians.

    If I suggested you read the entire encyclopedia from start to finish, would you do that just to learn the definition of one word? I do take the time to educate myself seriously, so I prefer not to waste it on things that aren't relevant.

    Whether I personally agree with it (I do) is irrelevant, because "what goes as "unethical" seems to be quite subjective, especially if you compare the more fundamental and/or extremist branches of the various religions."

    Not relevant anymore, because I agreed.

    How does me not showing my moral thinking, or lack of it, make your arguments and statements any better or worse?
     
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  3. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Does anyone really believe this? That's if s/he means leaving the forum for good.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. And your religious intolerance is shared by many extremist Islamic sects. Quite a lot of similarities.
     
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  7. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    As an esoteric ecumenist, I like to have many religions and ideologies to dissect as Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers instead of idol worshipers like Christians and Muslims are and am free to adopt wisdom and knowledge from wherever I find them.

    I am tolerant of any worthy moral system or ideology but that basically excludes Christianity and Islam.

    Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

    Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

    If you tolerate immoral creeds, that is your mental defect. Not mine.

    Regards
    DL
     
  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Historically, free thinkers within any idol worshiping religion are called Gnostic to whatever that religion is. That is why you can have Gnostic Muslims in Muslim majority countries that do not allow or promote the death of apostates.


    Good. You condemn a moral tenet that is central to Christianity. They will think that quite relevant if they can still thing. Many cannot.

    Most who agree with a view do not speak against it and agree with it. This is better for the view and bolsters it.

    Those who disagree with it but cannot argue against it in any meaningful way tend to either show that in their answer of just do not bother with a reply and basically lose the argument.

    A shame that, to me, as then I do not lose the argument and learn nothing. My interlocutor who ran away will get the reward of learning something new if he has the ability to think out of his dogmatic bubble. If not, he is a disgrace to humanity.

    Regards
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  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    If the stupid mod that is on my case does not smarten up, why would I want to be where I am not treated like all other members?

    Why should you care and even ask such a mean hearted question?

    Go show your hate elsewhere a hole.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  10. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Because the kind mods allow you your own pulpit here, and the zealot in you just can't stop preaching. Your never leave this site, your so predictable.
     
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  11. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    What in your opinion is the difference between a gnostic Christian and a gnostic Muslim, if there even is one?

    Yay, I guess.

    In other words, my showing my moral thinking, or lack of it, does not influence the strength of the arguments you are making. So why did you ask me about them?
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Religions, by themselves, aren't intolerant. PEOPLE (like yourself) are intolerant. You are a good demonstration that you don't need religion to be a intolerant, hateful extremist.
    And if you justify your intolerance and hate by your religion (or lack of it) then you are the problem.
     
  13. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Immediately back to the insults... And that's just a few since your return.

    You have been given a multitude of chances to correct your abhorrent behavior. I dare say we have been exceedingly lenient with you previously. You have had a dozen warnings this last year alone, and yet you persisted in doubling down on this farce. No more.
     
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  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    You are an interestin poster by talkin about the elephant in the room/poor morals of the very popular religions... which irritates the thin-skinned head-in-the-sand Christans an atheists alike... lol.!!!

    If you leave it will be Sciforums loss... but its understandable considerin the way you have been treeted... so i wish you well if you stay or not

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  15. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Don't worry your pretty little head clueluss, GIA can't keep away from this forum for long.
    Whoa! Just noticed GIA has been permanently banned... Someone's going to have to create a new sock.
     
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  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    no, it's not the same. if you believe that, maybe you should move to the middle-east where extremism is tolerated. so you think everything should be tolerated or it's hateful?

    this forum can't even tolerate GIA and he/she is not that extreme at all. they are merely denouncing what is unethical about religion instead of glossing over it and calling it tolerance. he/she was also one of the more interesting members for the subject of religion.

    look how long this thread is. evidently GIA had a view that made others think about religion. the mods are stupid or make wrong calls at times. this is because the moderation ignores or is oblivious to the work of politics and controversy of differing views and opinions which fuels forum discussion. it is not about just having members who all think alike or agree.

    sure, GIA was a little resentful about being marginalized but nothing that bad to be labeled as someone offensive.
     
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  17. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    GIA's stance was that he and his alone were in the right, and everyone else was some sort of heathen. That's... pretty extreme to most logical people.

    ... uh... really? I think we've been reading very different posts then.

    Interesting in the same way as watching a pair of trains collide head on is interesting, sure...?

    *shrug* I won't pretend we handle everything perfectly, but it seems you've an axe to grind.


    I can make a several hundred page long thread in short order by posting inane bupkis... that doesn't mean it adds anything of value.

    Most of the responses are people showing GIA just why he is wrong, backed with evidence ranging from real world examples, biblical text quotes, et al... and his response was generally along the lines of "la la la you're wrong and evil and immoral for thinking that way" or "you're an idiot if you can't see why that's wrong"... not exactly "honest, logical discussion" IMHO.

    "a little"...?

    More like being held to the same standard of evidence and behavioral expectations that everyone else is...

    So you wouldn't consider these insults...

    ... to be offensive?
     
  18. birch Valued Senior Member

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    no, it wasn't just him/her. the thread and subject was interesting enough to several members that they continually engaged in the thread, just because some of it had to do with counter-points in complete disagreement does not matter.

    as far as saying one thinks another is immoral if another does not see what is immoral is pretty common personal opinions and some general insults are also common too. unless the member has absolutely nothing to add or point, that is not a good reason to ban them. GIA wasn't that offensive anyways. one can read they are trying to make a point of considering actual tenets. he/she is transparent in that regard which is unorthodox when it comes to religion. other members have created similar type threads but from what i can tell, GIA is more targeted because they are more specific. whether they are right or wrong about some or all, it doesn't really matter. they produced good fodder for the religion section.
     
  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    If the issue with GIA was one of subject matter, then I might agree with you.

    Simply put, it isn't. The primary issue was his abhorrent behavior and continued (and multitude) insults against other members. Of secondary concern was his refusal to debate in anything resembling good faith, simply hand-waving away information he didn't like in favor of repeating oft-debunked claims without any additional evidence to support them.

    Ultimately, it was his refusal to interact with others in a rational and civil way that crossed the line. Heated debate is fine - continual verbal assault of other members is not.

    In any case, if you feel he was somehow unfairly treated, the best course of action would be to take it up with the Administration, as they are the ones in position to handle and decide such matters.
     
  20. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Hallelujah...
    The swamp is bein drained...
    Trump style... lol.!!!
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    none of that is true. i've been on this forum off and on through the years and have noticed insults swapped between members where it was considered okay because of some form of inclusive politics; perhaps the members were seen as clever but still mainstream etc. but it is true GIA easily gets defensive as he seems to come across as if they are continually backed in a corner. the reason why i don't find their less civil retorts that insulting is because they have a marginalized pov in the first place.

    i looked back at the thread and saw where it really started and what the issue mostly is:

    this tends to get people banned very easily or more susceptible. in this case, his/her views on religion.

    of course, spamming a bunch of nonsense of the conventional kind or that's not even worth repeating is considered okay though.
     
  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    In faith, I think birch is right, it is the internet. But however, GIA (not offending me) if broke rules he should be punished.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And if you think that religion determines extremism, I will introduce you to about a dozen Muslims I work with.

    Any time you claim that a single belief (religion, allegiance, political stance, scientific beliefs) determines someone's morality, you are bound to be wrong most of the time.

    ?? Not tolerated? As far as I can tell he is still quite tolerated (and posting.)
     

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