Good is an actual quality like water that we need to "drink"

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  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Sailing is of the nature if something can go wrong it will especially when something else is going wrong.

    Alex
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Have you tried marijuana?
    It cures many ills and pains, and is NOT addictive. In fact it has been suggested that it may be helpful in treating opioid addiction.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. A 26' shallow-keeled lake boat is currently my best form of therapy.

    At least, during the 6 months that the lake isn't cold and bumpy...
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    My kids offered me that option once.
    I considered it, but decided that adding more mind-altering drugs to my system might not be the wisest strategy.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Today there are many strains especially bred for low THC but high in other beneficial cannabinoids such as CBD, which as I understand it is legal in all states.
    You may want to check this out on Wiki;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

    And in Holland it is regularly prescribed for treatment of depression and pain from arthritis, especially in the elderly!
     
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  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You could try it as I am sure as Write4u says its not addictive but the problem may be getting naturally grown stuff..bush weed as the folk up here call it.
    I am sure those who use it enjoy getting high but over the years I have seen different folk seemingly benefit simply from the fact that their sleep improves because their pain or anguish becomes less.
    But I would be only inclined to use it if it came from my garden to avoid presumably to hotted up stuff the kids demand. That could be a problem as it is usually a banned substance. I have seen folk who have one little plant and use it sparingly.
    Also from what I can determine they are better with than without.
    But you would need to cut the current stuff and start again..
    Alex
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You could try it as I am sure as Write4u says its not addictive but the problem may be getting naturally grown stuff..bush weed as the folk up here call it.
    I am sure those who use it enjoy getting high but over the years I have seen different folk seemingly benefit simply from the fact that their sleep improves because their pain or anguish becomes less.
    But I would be only inclined to use it if it came from my garden to avoid presumably to hotted up stuff the kids demand. That could be a problem as it is usually a banned substance. I have seen folk who have one little plant and use it sparingly.
    Also from what I can determine they are better with than without.
    But you would need to cut the current stuff and start again..
    Alex
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I can't tell on this phone post numbers but I think I know which post you refer to however assuming I have the right one.....
    I admit my approach could be seen as radical but its not depression I am just a grumpy old man.
    Alex
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Have you thought of reducing the dosage over time...slowly. I wouldn't recommend marijuana as a substitute.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Aside from the incorrect classification of marijuana as a class I drug (lumped in with herion, morphine and other opioids ) and the fact it is still illegal by Federal law, what objections do you have to the medical (or even the recreational) use of marijuana?

    Are you also opposed the much more danerous and addictive drugs alcohol and nicotine?
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212171131.htm

    OTOH
    http://www.kob.com/health-news/unm-study-medicial-marijuana-opioid-alternative/4683329/

    p.s. Marijuana is NOT an opioid, it is a cannabinoid chemical......big difference.
    p.p.s. There is not a single recorded death from a marijuana overdose.
     
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  15. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I think it is poison. It clouds the mind, which is why people use it. Overall, I think it is harmless when compared to nicotine and alcohol.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, I can accept the preference of natural clarity .
    But did you know that Carl Sagan occasionally used marijuana, especially when he was pondering some scientific problem? He used to write equations on the shower wall, lest he forget the thought. This was told by Sagan's wife herself.

    This may be the only detrimental side-effect of marijuana use (if you want to cal it that). The THC allows the brain to become more active and ideas pour in from other neural centers of the brain. Later, these artificially stimulated thoughts may be forgotten and sometimes results in short memory recall, but no harm is done to the regular normal function of the brain, it is just restored to its original state of function.
     
  17. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't recall much more than a stupor while high on marijuana. If Carl could formulate equations while stoned, then good for him. What I recall was sitting with my friends, eating potato chips and drinking beer.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What about Industrial Hemp, which also an illegal crop in the US?
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

    In fact it is one of the most eco-friendly crops on earth. If you study the history and the uses and benefits of Hemp, you will realize that our current drug problems do not stem from the use of marijuana in any of its forms.

    In fact it would save the worlds forests and assist in climate control. 1 acre of hemp can produce as much raw fiber as 20 acres of trees, due to its fast growing properties in almost any climate or soil. It is actually a natural evolutionary gift, which we mindlessly ignore.

    George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both had Hemp farms and the first draft of the US constitution is written on hemp paper. I see an implicit irony in these facts.

    BMW (car manufacturer) uses hemp panels for the interior of some of their models.
     
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  19. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have a problem with legalized marijuana, but I do think it can serve as a gateway drug. I know it was for me when I was a teen.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Who sold you the weed and who introduced you to spiking it, for just a couple of dollars more?
    A doctor or a dealer? Ironically doctors are now the legal dealers in opioids, but cannot prescribe marijuana. This I find most disturbing.
     
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  21. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Whoever had weed for sell. Now I can go to a head shop (Oregon) and buy it legally. The point is that most people won't be writing works of genius while high. More than likely they are trying to escape their life through drug use. They poison the mind to escape the mind.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Here is the result of opioid addiction.
    https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/04/opioid-gray-death-overdoses/

    Opioids are the gateway drugs to these little treats.

    Is an occasional glass of wine a gateway drug to Absinthe?
     
  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I never tried opioids other than for pain relief after having a tooth pulled. However, smoking marijuana gave me the courage to try other drugs. I'm just fortunate that I was smart enough to stay clear of addictive substances. Tobacco is my one failure that hangs on to this day.
     

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