God & the fossil/geological records?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Dinosaur, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    We have geological records extending back past the time of the first fossils due to living creatures.

    We have fossil records extending back past the time of the first primates.

    We have a history showing a progression of creatures from primitive single celled creatures to modern complex creatures.

    At what point in the above histories was god involved?

    Did god start the process of evolution and then allow it to progress without further action on by him/her?

    Should we ignore any consideration of evolution & accept a starting point like the Garden of Eden?
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes of course...the truth is in the bible and if evolution is a fact it must be part of Gods plan and if the bible seems not to agree well it really does? it is just that although the biblical authors were inspired by God they somehow wrote it down wrong.

    That is not Gods fault he cant control what they write even though he can.

    Besides most fossiles were placed by the devil to undermine Gods work and to cause men to sin.

    If evolution is a fact and it is not it is all part of Gods plan..

    How can logic and science overrule what I know in my heart to be true.

    My attempt at satire.

    Run your ideas past the Creation Evidence Museum folk they have an answer for everything ...God.

    Alex
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Various religions are modernizing their ideas as we learn more about our world.

    The more modern ones tend to believe that evolution is real, but that God's hand is - and has been, and still is - involved throughout the span of the universe, including the creation of critters.

    Some are even hinting that the garden of Eden is more of a parable than an ostensible historical fact.

    I do not purport such beliefs, I am simply stating the beliefs as I understand them.
     
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  7. river

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    Actually there is lack of fossil evidence for the flow of Human evolution .
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Define "lack".

    How large a gap would you consider to be lacking in the evolution of H.sapiens?
     
  9. river

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    500,000yrs
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be coy. What 500,000 years do you feel is missing?

    Here is an account of human evolution - by fossil record - that is continuous back almost 5 million years, which is significantly farther back than what we consider definably human:

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  11. river

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    Thats theory Dave , note the left side of your pictorial
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You said there is a lack of fossil evidence. That is a baseless assertion. There certainly is continuous fossil evidence of the evolution of humans going back millions of years. Your assertion stands refuted.
     
  13. river

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    Yet your pictorial , on the left hand side , from your post #7 , shows question marks (?)
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    See the fossils? They go back almost 5 million years.
    Those are fossils. Evidence.
    The ones you said are lacking.

    You still have not defended your baseless assertion.
    I have presented evidence of fossils that rebut your argument.

    If you've got evidence that says there's a half million year gap, show it. Otherwise, you're just talkin' through your hat.
     
  15. river

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    Question marks are question marks , Dave ...???????

    I am I talking through my hat ....yes I am , because I knew that really there is no FIRM evidence , from fossil records , of Human evolution as primative to ourselves , in 2018 .
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So you got nothin' then.

    I've presented evidence. You've done nothing.
     
  17. river

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    We both have nothing .
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, none of this ever happened:

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  19. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    From DaveC426913 Post 3
    Those who view the Garden of Eden as a historical fact are so far removed from reality that it is useless to argue with them.

    I have some friends who deny evolution, but consider the Garden of Eden as a myth rather than a reality.​

    BTW: Dave, I recognize you as a supporter of the notions of evolution. Correct?

    From River Post 4
    The above is an absurd view of the fossil record relating to primates.

    If you want to dispute the fossil record as strong evidence for evolution, you need to devise a plausible alternative explanation for the progression of related fossils starting with early primates & ending with Homo Sapiens.​

    Another set of fossils strongly supporting evolution start with eohippus & end with the modern horse. That sequence of fossils also needs an alternative explanation by those who want to refute the notions of evolution.

    Mere denial of the implications of the related fossil records is a poor argument against the notions of evolution..​

    Evolution is a very plausible explanation for fossil evidence relating to various sets of related fossils. Theists need to provide a plausible explanation for those fossils in order to refute the notions of evolution.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You have opinion. Science has fossils and genetics. Science wins.
     
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Oh yeah, it's quite firm, made of stone in fact.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed.
    And that, folks, is how the world still has Moon Hoaxers and Flat-Earthers.
    There are people who willfully dismiss cold, hard evidence when it conflicts with their personal views.


    * No True Scotsman fallacy. Gotta love it.
     
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