Kenny “ Your statement doesn't smell like roses either btw ... something like that hence there is recourse to a type of intelligence that puts an end material life and its inherent shortcomings obviously not I would agree that religious masses do have a tendency to water down teachings with predictable results everything will be tested at the time of death Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
God cannot be absent from Nature, although we can't, and we won't find God with our science or logic, we assign Nature some "existence", or we personalise the environment - even scientists do, though they try hard - so the question sort of revolves around itself.