Genetics Vs Mormonism & Creationism

PEOPLE associated with religion propagate ignorance, oppression, and fear. religion itself does not.

And what is religion but the belief in supernatural powers that control human destiny. Without people, religion wouldn't exist.

How are your rights infringed upon by thought?

Is it not theist thought that has run the world for many centuries?

 

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as I stated before, if you say religion infringes on your rights in any way, you're a liar, unless of course you are a sociopath, or a psychopath, maybe even an axe murderer or serial killer or a child molester?

What are you talking about? Have you been living in a cave? Do you not think that those in power don't use their faith based ideals in their decision making process? Get a grip.

 

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I think I've given enough links in this and other threads to explanatory websites on why DNA evidence doesn't disprove the Book of Mormon. Look them up--do a search for my user name, if you want.

As for myself, it's only an academic issue of passing interest, because I already know without a doubt that the Book of Mormon is true, independent of the DNA issue.

 

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Here they are again:

Does DNA Evidence Refute the Book of Mormon?
DNA and the Book of Mormon
Dr. Scott Woodward: DNA and the Book of Mormon
Is An Historical Book of Mormon Incompatible with DNA Science?
A Brief Review of Murphy and Southerton's "Galileo Event"
The Tempest in a Teapot: DNA Studies and the Book of Mormon
The Problematic Role of DNA Testing in Unraveling Human History
A Few Thoughts from a Believing DNA Scientist
Who Are the Children of Lehi?
Genetic Markers Not a Valid Test of Native Identity
Before DNA
Interpreting the DNA Data and the Book of Mormon Part I
Interpreting the DNA Data and the Book of Mormon Part II
Interpreting the DNA Data and the Book of Mormon Part III
DNA and the Book of Mormon: A Phylogenetic Perspective

 

And we've already told you why such apologies were invalid, spammer.

 

"We"? Who is "we"?

LOL, calling me a spammer for referring you to relevant websites, eh? Methinks I'm dealing with someone who has less than a full deck of cards.

 

Marlin

Do you have a source that actually isn't biased?

 

Insults don't substitute equivelently for a valid argument Marlin. Yes you are spamming by repeating link posts already invalidated, and Q no he doesn't.

 

At the risk of further damaging Trilairian's delicate spam sensors, here you go:

Genetic Markers Not a Valid Test of Native Identity

 

For an anti-Mormon, you need to recognize the difference between "Jewish" and "Israelite." Jewish means "of the tribe of Judah," which was only one of the twelve tribes. "Israelite" includes people from all twelve tribes. Lehi was Israelite, but that doesn't mean he was Jewish.

 

ok, i worded that incorrectly, because yes, i see how religion would not exist with out people. it's that whole "some people spoil it for others" philosophy. some people are idiots, religious zealots, psychotic killers, power-hungry overlords, and closed-minded - or any combination of the five. i'll be the first to admit that people rarely practice what they preach. what i am trying to say is that there are those of us out here that quietly believe in something bigger, and follow what they believe is right while observing a moral code. do you really think that benevolence, altruism, and morality do not exist in people?

yes, it has. but once again, any thought can become dangerous in the minds of someone who wants to use it destructively. any thought can become a motivation to power for those who seek it. and any thought can become nothing at all.

 

do you really think that benevolence, altruism, and morality do not exist in people?

Yes, without the need for religion, of course.

yes, it has. but once again, any thought can become dangerous in the minds of someone who wants to use it destructively. any thought can become a motivation to power for those who seek it. and any thought can become nothing at all.

It is theist thought that controls the decision making process, which has shaped and formed our societies over the centuries that resulted in those idiots, zealots, killers, overlords and the close-minded. This is the same thought process that commands allegiance to invisible beings over fellow men, precludes reality for fantasy and sets living standards towards a non-existent afterlife.

 

That chromosome research has nothing to do with the mitochondrial DNA evidence that proves you wrong. Not that you paid it any attention to know the difference.

 

If only the paper were valid. So much trash gets published these days...

 

Trilairian, let's just agree to disagree. It's gotten down to the point where we're just making assertions that neither of us can prove to the other. You cannot destroy my faith and I cannot enlighten your wilfull ignorance.

 

Lets just agree to dissagree and then you insult me? No.

 

That's a good quote Marlin.


Anyone who has read the book, knows it talks about VARIOUS groups of inhabitants. I don't see how this topic can keep going. Since the data necessary to solidify any conclusion, isn't available to us.

The BoM claims people came to the Americas and bred. Along with other peoples that were already in the Americas. Some sailed off towards the west sea (asia), and did their thing there. Later another group comes the americas, mixes in again...................................................................................

"And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land Bountiful, by the land Desolation, and launched it forth into the west sea, by the narrow neck which led into the land northward."


That's great that joe shmo DNA from 2,000 AD doesn't show any similarity to another joe shmo 2,000 AD.

There is no basis for comparison that can even get close to what the book is talking about. Unless they have a cryogenic clinics where bodies have been stored from all the different tribes of people that settled.

 

I'll bet that 99% of the people accusing the Book of Mormon as being false due to DNA studies, have never picked up or read the book at all. Yet they have almost a fanatical religious fervor, some of them, in the name of DNA science's discoveries. They proclaim that their god, Science, has proven the true God's revelations wrong, even when it is shown to have done no such thing.

 

that's beside the point (it's a given),

mormonism's problem for me, is that it was created during recent historic times (after the printing press) & close enough in time to have preserved several "foundation" documents, like the 'Book of Abraham' papyrus, facsimiles of founders' notes, pioneer diaries & early non-corrected editions of the 'Book of Mormon' (disproving the LDS hypothesis of "most correct book on earth"), so that it has 'real' history to prove or disprove it.

J. Smith didn't get the memo that Native Peoples of the Western Hemisphere were descented from Asians by way of Siberia
see:
http://www.signaturebooks.com/Losing.htm

Also, poor J. Smith didn't get the memo that Champollion had deciphered Egyptian hieroglyphics in 1822, thus giving old Joe the idea to use the term "Reformed Egyptian" for the language of the BoM people.
see: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9022364

And he didn't get the memo that modern archeology was being formed soon, being transformed from "antiquarian’ treasure' hunters" to actual scientific historians
see:
http://www.nps.gov/hocu/adhi/adhi1c.htm

even if Marlin won't admitt it, the source document for mormonism, the "Book of Mormon" states that at least one of the so-called founders was from the Israelish tribe of Joseph

 

not just, there are about 100 diff reasons; including DNA; tech for one, languages for another, list of domesticated & wild animals sopposedly here or brought here by them, flora, metalurgy, etc

ugh, for a so-called abrigment, its to quote Mark Twain, "chloryform in print"

science is only a small part, God proclaims the BoM false, by condemning its so-called 'prophet' J. Smith, for his many false prophecies