Free Will: An attempt to make sense of it.

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Techne, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Your attempts to define words always makes me laugh.

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    "Determine" comes from the Latin "De" meaning off +"Terminare" meaning to end, to close. So "Determine" means "close off" or something similar.

    The word possibly meaning to "undo a terminology" would be to de-term.
     
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  3. Fuse26 011 Banned

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    That's what I wrote! De-term-in-ism. To term something is to define what something IS. De-term-in-ism is to de-term that thing. Term also relates to time.

    Why do people come on here and try to TELL me things??

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  5. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @ughaibu --

    Yes, you do need to wait for an external "force" of sorts, your muscles need energy from somewhere in order to work. We get our energy by allowing mitochondria to live in our cells(yes, each and every one of them) thereby allowing our cells to "use" them to metabolize various molecules through oxidization. This is the "force" that allows us to do things like walk and stand up and breathe and live.
     
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  7. ughaibu Registered Senior Member

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    Presumably this is a joke.
     
  8. 420Joey SF's Incontestable Pimp Valued Senior Member

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    Arioch is not a man of science.
     
  9. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, not a joke at all. We require outside energy for everything we do.
     
  10. ughaibu Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, but this too is beneath the level of silliness that I consider tolerable. The internal is not external, end of story.
     
  11. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    I understand Free Will, but have a problem passing over the message in words. I will try again...

    Normally you have Cause, and Effect. This is just a domino effect. One thing bumps into another, passing the energy along in a linear motion, spreading outwards into waves.. propagating. The important part is the energy transfer. It has no direction but linear.

    Free Will takes energy out of the linear state. Energy is guided.

    Cause and effect = A to B.

    Free Will = A to End Point.

    End Point = Area of least resistance.

    Area Of Least Resistance = Human Control of inner pressure.

    Energy travels to Human Control of inner pressure.

    Because Energy hasn't reached the final destination, but is steered in that direction, Cause, and Effect is broken.

    Energy has been effected towards a cause.

    Free Will = Effect to Cause... backwards.

    It's like a Greyhound chasing a rabbit. You can get the Greyhound to the finish line before you even let it out of the trap.
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Yet you're clinging to your claim that humans, by standing up from a chair, contravene Newton's First Law of motion?....:

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    Have you submitted a paper on this notion of yours?
    Perhaps you want to raise a thread about it in the Physics section? :shrug:
     
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  13. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @ughaibu --

    Ah, so if you don't like something or don't understand it, it's silly, gotcha. And you should not that it doesn't matter if it's silly, it's still true.
     
  14. ughaibu Registered Senior Member

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    I'm pretty sick of this crap from Sarkus and now you. I have given reasons, on all occasions, and on this occasion it is a straightforward, indisputable matter of definition, that which is internal is distinguished from that which is external by the terms themselves.
    I will not be replying to any more of this trivial bullshit. Either produce something intellectually non-negligible, or you too are on your own.
     
  15. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @ughaibu --

    I don't give a shit about definitions, does the math contradict Newton's Law? Show your equations or shut the fuck up.
     
  16. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Dude, mean words :shrug:
     
  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    There is no "crap" from me other than that which I highlight in your own arguments.
    No, you haven't. You cherry-pick which parts of a response you give reply to, conveniently glossing over any line of argument that counters your own arguments.
    I have further raised issue with your definition, pointed out its limitation in providing an understanding of what is actually going on, pointed out the flaws in your own arguments, and yet still you refuse to provide anything meaningful other than repeating accusations of "rejecting the principles of science" despite your inability to legitimately support it.
    You seem to think that I (and others) reject that your definition of free-will exist - yet we don't - as I have clearly explained: we merely dispute what it actually is. You seem to think that calling something an illusion means that it doesn't exist... yet illusions exist - just not as perceived.
    So you are saying that Newton's Law is contravened when we stand up because you think Newton's First Law is specific to an external force? You don't think Newton's First Law applies to constituent parts internal to a larger body? :shrug:

    So please, explain how standing up contravenes, as you claim, Newton's First Law.
     
  18. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    I'm tired of dealing with evasive shit from you lot, and to have a newbie come in here and do it, sorry but I just won't stand for it.
     

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