former spy, die, from radioactive poison.

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  1. krakatoa scared! me? hummm? No,hihi. Registered Senior Member

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  3. Indymaestro Resu Deretsiger Registered Senior Member

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    I think this shows that although the Cold War is over, tactics used during that conflict are still used today - Bond-esque as they may be.
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    One more dead guy in a vast number of dead guys on the planet ....it ain't no big deal, ya' know? We make a big deal out of one instance, yet in the same day, there was at least one murder in New York City alone. How many murders occured in that same day all across the globe?

    One dead guy, big deal.

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  7. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I think that kind of danger comes with the territory/job. Should I really care for him?
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, the problem is ...if you care for him, aren't you sorta' obligated to care for all of the other people on Earth that were/are murdered? And if you don't, then ....why care for only one guy that you don't know, but don't care for the others that you don't know?

    All of that is why I think people who claim that they're compassionate and really care for people they don't know .....well, I think they're just lying! Lying to us and/or lying to themselves.

    Baron Max
     
  9. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Vladimir Putin is one bad motha...
     
  10. krakatoa scared! me? hummm? No,hihi. Registered Senior Member

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    we have to do with what we have from the media

    Of course there is a lot of peoples that died yesterday, today, tomorrow, but
    this does'nt change the fact, that we have to do with what we have. What the media's are talking about.

    like Now, i am very worried for a friend, that stays in Beiruth, Libanon, she is a christian, i am very worried for her, and all the peoples of Libanon, Muslim inlcuded, I had news 3 days ago, i hope to have more news soon. there could be a civil war again. I hope not.

    this is just an exemple, of what is going on in the world.

    Irak, afganistan, Darfour etc etc etc.

    When the media make more noise with a story than another, this is the news you remember the most at the time. than another story comes out, and we talk about, it , this is life, this is the media. But i just wanted to know what you thought, about this one, till the next one. thanks for reading me. Krakatoa

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  11. candy Registered Senior Member

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    One should feel regret for all the dead whether they were a victim of a random act of violence or they were a victim of state sponsored terrorism. Hopefully the justice system will hold the actor in the random act of violence accountable but how do we deal with state sponsored terrorists that carry out murders in another country?
     
  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Then we'll all spend our entire waking moments feeling nothing but regret and sorrow.

    How can one sit down and enjoy a nice dinner when they should know that there's a person somewhere in the world being killed?

    See? It's not only ridiculous to feel such sorrow and compassion, it's impossible .....regardless of what you or anyone else says. There's just too many people to feel sorry for ...we'd be forever miserable. Is that what you are? Is that what you suggest that others be?

    Baron Max

    PS - just for your info, I don't think there can be such a thing as "state-sponsored" terrorism. Something like that could only be called war, not terrorism.
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, I agree. The media tells us what to think about and, in most cases, how to feel about it. We're all just sheep to the news media reporters.

    Baron Max
     
  14. Alva Urbanus et instructus Registered Senior Member

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    Great one less trained Russian killer off of my mind.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Were you really concerned about him when he was alive? How so?

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  16. Alva Urbanus et instructus Registered Senior Member

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    I fear anyone trained to kill. But that's probably just me.
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, yeah, sure ....but did you know him or even know of him before the news hit the airwaves?

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  18. Alva Urbanus et instructus Registered Senior Member

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    A KGB member has no room for a name in my mind. The fact he is KGB alone is enough for me to dislike him.
     
  19. Personally, I doubt very much the FSB were actually involved at all in this particular incident - undoubtedly Litvinenko's outspoken and highly public repudiation of the Putin regime more than likely would have earned him an unquestionably fatal accident discretely down the line - but the idea that current FSB operatives are actually so inept as to waste the fellow in such a fashion as to point directly back to the Kremlin via such a trade mark former KGB method of extraction - frankly just doesn't wash.

    Traces of Polonium-210 found not only at the site of the restaurant he was allegedly poised in, but also the mans own home coupled with the "deathbed" allegation that Russia's directly responsible for his poisoning even before the exact fact that poison of any kind had in anyway been administered to the man smack strongly to me of self administration.

    Y'have to admit, as a way of sticking it to your former boss who's likely going to put a bullet through you sooner or later obscurely airs a certain degree of dirty laundry out in public hardly detrimental at all to Litvinenko's own avowed cause....

    Over here it's the major news story. What can I say.
     
  20. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Self-administration???

    And the MO was? And he had access? And then he spread it around to all those other sites? Come on. That doesn't make any sense.
     
  21. Valich, he was a former KGB Chief - of course he'd know where to procure the stuff and how to administer it - his alleged murder is precisely his own former occupations MO and in going up against Putin from afar a man with Litvinenko's experience specifically knows damn well there's a bullet going to come from somewhere - albeit in the form of a rather more discrete "accident" or "heart attack".

    Polonium-210 poisoning was a trade mark from Litvinenko's own time in the KGB - and it's a message. A particularly grisly one, the significance of which not at all lost to the intelligence community.

    Don't be making the mistake that this fellow is just an innocent victim here - he was a former intelligence officer of considerable rank who defected not out of consciousness but because he was a highly marked man. People like Litvinenko live, work and eventually die in a perpetual world of plot and counter plot - and nothing connected with the Intelligence Services ever transpires to be what it appears to be on the surface.

    Where precisely is the sense in the FSB doing things in such a way as to point the finger of suspicion right back at the Kremlin's door? There are a good half dozen compounds which, if administered correctly, can kill a person from natural causes virtually untraceably - And if the external branch of FSB wanted to send a message to British Intelligence regarding it's willingness to carry out Litvinenko's alleged policy of them being "licenced" to take out their own on foreign soil - as Litvinenko conveniently acquires the platform to allege by being apparently poisoned by them via a method that affords a person time to make their own last will and testament and get their affairs in order - there are several dozen more ways the very same could be achieved perfectly clearly and discretely without the matter coming to the full attention of the press.

    Why would the Kremlin be so dumb as to play into a chap like Litvinenko's hands?

    It wouldn't. No matter how much of a noise he made - the Kremlin could always guarantee someone from a chap like Litvinenko's past would eventually turn up and finish the job for them - with the right degree of provocation, naturally. No one rises to the rank of Colonel in the KGB without getting bits of someone else brains splattered over their shoes. Litvinenko, I somehow doubt, was anything like a choir boy....

    Still, if you really believe for an instant that the Russians are actually idiot enough to kill a man in such a way as not only give him time to tell the world and his dog who it was who killed him but also do it in such a way as physically proves the allegation through a known KGB method of execution - I'm perfectly prepared to believe you.

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  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    It does not matter who did it. The fact that Polonium was used says that it was a government sponsored event unless the said government is so inept that anyone can get their hands on Radioactive material - in which case it is more dangerous in the future (terrorists might get it too).

    More likely - it was a government sponsored event. So, watch out Borat, you could be next!
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Or maybe it was a private revenge from someone in the Russian secret services,
    who maybe also doesn't like his government and decided to hit two targets with one shot.
     

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