First Transracial Senator?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Capracus, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's it? She labeled her recipes as "Cherokee" and therefore she is claiming she is a member in good standing of the Cherokee tribe?

    Geez. Trump needs more people like you.
     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence that support anecdotes of her calling herself Cherokee. You asked for proof, and I gave it.

    Doesn't excuse Trump's reprehensible reference to the trail of tears. I think he's having a mental breakdown.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There are no such anecdotes, and your latest "proof" is recipe labels.
     
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  7. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    It's proof she referred to herself as Cherokee. I'm sorry you can't overlook your pro-Warren bias.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Love it. Can't wait until someone calls you out for claiming to be a goat.
     
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    I guess living in a bubble of fantasy isn't limited to conservatives after all. I'm not saying she's deliberately racist, it's just naive and kind of weird. And in all this time she's only talked to native groups after it became a political liability.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It is not. You are being weirdly silly - illiterate?
    Is she supposed to have cleared her great great grandfather's race with some Tribal authority, or never speak of it?
    It was accurate, as it turns out. Lucky the DNA probabilities didn't break against her.
    No kidding.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And Obama was born in Kenya.
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    She had a native ancestor. She is not a Cherokee.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Which is exactly what she claimed (minus the slur, which you have not yet learned to avoid).
     
  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not using a slur. Native American is the preferred nomenclature.

    I've presented the facts, you are welcome to interpret them as you will.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    By whom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_name_controversy
    I guarantee you that the term "native", as in your term "native ancestor", if applied to them personally, will be taken as a slur by many Tribal members in my region of the US.
    It's not Warren's nomenclature, at any rate. She, at least, knows better than that.
    You have presented unsubstantiated claims, and misrepresentations of Warren's behavior, positions, and statements.

    Why?
     
  16. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    I wasn't applying it to anyone personally, but as a general term. If I know someone's tribe, I would use that instead.
    Did not. It's in a book you can still buy.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Unless, of course, you considered them to have the incorrect percentage of ancestry from that tribe.
     
  18. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    It's not up to me, why don't you try finding out what natives actually think?
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And in doing so, you give offense. Apparently, without even realizing it. And immediately after accusing others of being "oblivious.
    Meanwhile: You were applying it to Warren, her family, and her great great grandfather. And my grandmother, btw. And some of my co-workers.
    There's no substantiation of your silly claims about Warren in any book.
    You first.
    I would enjoy watching you ask a couple of the "natives" I have worked and hung out with what they think about this line you've been posting.
     
  20. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    When referring to American Indians or Alaska Natives, it is appropriate to use the terms American Indians and Alaska Natives. These terms denote the cultural distinction between the indigenous people of the continental United States and those of Alaska. While the term “Native Americans” came into usage in the 1960s out of respect to American Indians and Alaska Natives, usage of the term has expanded to include all Native people of the United States and its territories, including Native Hawaiians and American Samoans.
    https://www.narf.org/frequently-asked-questions/

    I'm obviously not talking about Canadian indigenous people, but those of Oklahoma, so Native American applies. Especially since Warren is not a Cherokee or Dakota, according to their own criteria.
    Go ahead and be oblivious, that's your right.
    I've already read what the Cherokee Nation has to say on this issue, and it isn't flattering to Warren.
     
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  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Neither does it agree with you.
    Note the passive voice. The active agent concealed therein was the US Government. You can read about it in my link above.

    When you ask my co-workers and acquaintances how they feel about you calling them "natives", tell them the US Federal Government told you it was the preferred term. I'll make the popcorn.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    which one ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Publications
     
  23. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    You're welcome to point out how.

    Rebecca Nagle, a writer, activist and citizen of Cherokee Nation, told CNN in an interview last week that, even though she mostly agreed with Warren's politics, she would never consider supporting her without a robust admission.

    "What Warren needs to do, at this point, is apologize to the tribes that she has harmed and to Native people broadly -- and then she needs to say without qualification, unequivocally that she is not Cherokee and that she is not Native. And stop parsing Native identity in ways that undermine Native rights," Nagle said

    Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.

    "All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."


    CNN
    That was my source as well. It arose out of Native civil rights movements that were a part of the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s and 70s. Note the partial acceptance of the term, meaning that it doesn't apply to indigenous people from regions other than North America, and that tribal names are more appropriate when applicable. Also that some prefer American Indian.
     
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