First Transracial Senator?

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  1. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    transracial
    ?
    ok
    how many races are there?
     
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    the newspaper was recently sold, almost 2 years ago.
    they are probably attempting to get a boost in advertising prior to re-selling.
    thats my guess
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I'm so fucking tired of the right pointing and screech, "look at the sjws, look at them!!!" Dudes you control the whole fucking government, you are having wild orgies with wall street, on the open steps of capital hill, and all you can do is point at Liz and screech that she is Pocahontas, why the fuck should I care if she a purple smurf? She is right to fight the corporate lobbyist, I don't give a dam if she otherkin even, I don't care if she pisses standing up! But you right wing fuckers jsut keep pointing and screeching, "The SJW, the Cultural Marxist and their gender studies classes, the Jews, they are saping our precious Anglo-Saxon vitality!"

    And then Bells and Tiassa are going to come in here and just make fools of themselves, certainly.

    This would be a lot simpler if she claimed she was part morri, she could get that face tattoo and than you're morri for 100% sure, the end, no take backs. Look I like Liz but if its Bernie verse Liz I going for Bernie, had she had the ovaries to go up against Hillary, that was her chance for the presidency, but now its is too late, I would like her as head of the senate though. I'm not dividing the progressive vote.

    Anyways my question to you one the right: What has Liz done, other then her questionable heritage, that you have problems with?
     
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  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Really?

    Alright.

    Consider: If one declares, "Hey, someone says you're a criminal; here, give me some DNA and prove you're not," does it matter who is accusing or why? Or are people expected to provide DNA evidence on demand for every ill-considered appeal to hatred finding convenience in accusing?

    What I wonder is what world one imagines that tropes like the question at hand should have that sort of credibility, which in turn is something of a rhetorical question, or, at least, one with a glaringly obvious answer. There are, of course, alternatives, but I still don't get why the people who aren't something might somehow so consistently fail to behave or present themselves differently than those we might otherwise agree are.

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    In 2015, two suicides were linked to allegations of a whisper campaign; that it wasn't a whisper campaign was not the best explanation. Still, though, it is entirely possible that a former Missouri State Auditor and his spokesman would be alive had he simply taken a DNA test to disprove accusations that he was Jewish. Tom Schweich killed himself in the middle of a Republican primary because someone accused him of being Jewish. His spokesman, Spence Jackson, followed suit a month later, despondent over the disaster and his perceptions of the future.

    A bunch of racists want to say what racists say, I don't see why anybody else is required to hop on the bandwagon. Still: Is this a one-time thing, or should genetic screening be prerequisite of running for public office?

    You know, like, what if someone doesn't look enough like his dad? Why not take a genetic test to prove one's whole life isn't a lie just because some idiot who perceives interest decides it's a good idea to make the point?

    We might, then, wonder: Why the appeasement?

    Is this because a bunch of magagagas are finding out they have nonwhite and Jewish genes?

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    Perhaps the Berkshire Eagle might fund a proper study: What is Sen. Warren's genetic makeup compared to others at her valence of asserted or documented descent? In the future, these questions will be easier to address if everyone just gives over their genes and a collection of family stories. I, for instance, don't specifically and absolutely know my heritage is actually Japanese and Norwegian; that's just what got written down because that's what the people involved—including the mother who bore me to life—said at the time. We should, then, consider that what the appeasement asks is, essentially, that Sen. Warren have her television advert moment like the ethnicity-obsessed customers finding out, for instance, that one of the particular reasons she married her husband turns out to be untrue, and isn't that funny and how charming can life be, except this time we really, really need it to be some manner of horrendous scandal. At any rate, maybe the Eagle can get a volume discount for the mail-in genetic tests.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Probably privacy. You probably wouldn't want your genome made public.
     
  13. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Why do people even care. As far as I can tell, she simply recounted the family story she heard as a child. It's not like it's of national importance.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not following the title - transracial? That means something? Warren is white, racially. If like a lot of people - and a lot of Senators, past and probably present - she has ancestors that would be nowdays classified as "nonwhite", that would hardly make her the first anything.
    (You have to say "now days", because racial classifications have changed over time. The Irish are now white, for example, and we extend that classification back to before that was the case).

    I doubt a DNA test would settle the question in Warren's case, unless it came up clearly NA aboriginal in high proportion. You couldn't prove she had no tribal ancestry from that time, because there were many tribal members with little or no NA aboriginal DNA, and the statistics of inheritance establish probabilities only.

    Is this a large and important matter in some circles? Something that keeps them up at night?
    Left over from 2012, maybe? https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...zabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

    Then there is a deal they can propose:
    Warren agrees to release her DNA profile, in trade for Trump releasing his tax returns.
     
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    Elizabeth Warren claimed minority status during law school and as a young law professor and continues to insist that she is 1/32 Native American.
    1/32 = 5 generations ago = about 150 -200 years ?

    Anyone in here know who your great great great grandmother was?
    and then
    can you prove it?

    .....................
    does anyone here know when the rest of her ancestors(the 31 others at that time) got here and where they came from?
     
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    Not really. https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...zabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/
    Depending on what one means by "status", of course, but there is no record of Warren ever applying for or receiving anything of legal substance on the basis of her family stories.
    Dealing with Reds, never mind 1/32 - I had a Red grandmother, by family account (and appearance, in photographs) fullblooded (so 1/4, me), who is apparently untraceable according to my geneologically inclined relatives. There is no formal record of her tribal origin, place or time of birth, parent(s) names, given childhood name, any of it. If the record so far inferred from name-tracing etc is correct, she was adopted as a child from an orphanage full of Red children of obscure - records often omitted or concealed or lost or even destroyed - origins, and her adoption is where the current record begins (if even that is accurate). There's nothing, really, but the family story, and who knows? Lots of Red children went lost, in this country.

    On official forms I always checked the "White" box, to avoid trouble - nobody cares any more if a White/Red breed passes as "White". But that is less conscientiously accurate than Warren's checking 1/32 Red - the percentage at stake, right or wrong, is higher.
     
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    For someone who claims to be a genius an IQ test result would be a better trade.
    You mean like all of these people?

    Who Do You Think You Are?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Do_You_Think_You_Are?_(U.S._TV_series)

    If Warren had made statements that implied a connection with a crime, would you think a DNA test appropriate? As a public servant who ideally presents themselves honestly, wouldn't you expect that person to at least expend the minimal effort to back up their public statements? Even Trump was willing to take a mental competency test to prove he wasn't a complete fool.
     
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  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Do you think playing make-believe is appropriate?
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I want to see his tax returns. I don't care what his IQ is, I care about his claims of great wealth and no compromising debts owed to foreigners.
    Sure. But you are talking about a DNA test, which would probably not back up her public statements regardless of what it showed.
    No, he wasn't. The test he took was incapable of assessing that.
     
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    Because her DNA is not anyone's business..

    I mean, think about it for a second..

    The expectation that she takes a DNA test to prove her ancestry, for what purpose, exactly? To placate and appease the right and the likes of Trump?

    Where does this have the potential to lead? Is this really something Americans want to have as a matter of policy to question people's ethnicity?

    They aren't making their genome's public. They show their ancestry and that's it. With Warren, they would expect the results of those tests to be made public. There is also the fact that the people who go on those shows volunteer to do so. Warren is well within her rights to not make such information public or to take a test because conservatives have something up their collective backsides about her ethnicity.

    The only people who are going on and on about her ethnicity are right wing conservatives. Why is there an expectation that people have to prove their ethnicity through DNA tests for Trump voters?

    As a public servant, her ethnicity is her business and her business alone. It isn't in any national interest and frankly, it's not really anyone's business. She hasn't committed a crime or suspected of committing a crime that would require a DNA sample and even if she had, it would be illegal to do a family trace through her genes, so your comparison doesn't even apply.
     
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    I took this too seriously, above, as if it were some kind of legitimate innuendo.

    As a public servant who presents herself honestly, Warren has expended far more than the minimum effort required in this matter - for instance, she has gone to some trouble to provide the source and backing for her long ago and insignificant claims, namely her family narrative that she grew up with.

    That fully accounts for all her public statements, honestly and completely.

    Trump, on the other hand, has never answered questions or accounted for his hair color and behavioral traits by presenting DNA or other authoritative evidence that he was fathered by a human rather than an orangutan, as suggested by various pundits and authorities in hair coloration and inherited personality characteristics.

    He seems remarkably reluctant to do the obvious, consistently refusing to back up his public statements by having his DNA tested and publishing the results. I wonder why?
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    Y'know, a bunch of guys so recently and so badly humiliated in public by being sent on that snipe hunt after Obama's birth certificate by Trump -

    you'd think they'd be a little more wary of this geneology stuff. You'd think they would be warned by Trump's racist nicknaming and appeals to their outrage that they were being had again, conned one more time. But no - they don't seem to remember the bonings they get even from one week to the next. Trauma? PTSD memory loss?
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    There is no proof she claimed it for any benefit, or received any benefit for the claim.

    Anyways do you have a problem with her other than her questionable heritage?

    I do, I got the family records going back to Spanish lords that were kicked kicked out by the king and queen of Spain in 1492, because they were Jews.

    yes, I guess it does: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ts-the-difference_us_58dd5f83e4b0fa4c09598748
     
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