extraordinary IQ and ability

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by rayview, Oct 23, 2003.

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  1. sony Registered Senior Member

    Read about William James Sidis. Maybe you have already:

    "Given IQ is a purely anthropocentric means of assessing intelligence, Sidis' IQ is crudely estimated at 250-300.
    Infant Billy listened to Greek myths read to him by Sarah as bedtime stories.
    Started feeding himself with a spoon at eight months (after two months of trial and error).
    Cajoled by Boris, Billy learned to pronounce alphabetic syllables from blocks hanging in his crib.
    At six months, Billy said, "Door." A couple months later he told Mom he liked things, doors and people, that move.
    At seven months he pointed to Earth's moon and called it, "moon." He wanted a 'moon' of his own.
    Mastered higher mathematics and planetary revolutions by age 11.
    Learned to spell efficiently by one year old.
    Started reading The New York Times at 18 months.
    Started typing at three. Used his high chair to reach a typewriter. First composed letter was an order for toys from Macy's.
    Read Caesar's Gallic Wars, in Latin (self-taught), as a birthday present to his Father in Billy's fourth year.
    Learned Greek alphabet and read Homer in Greek in his fourth year.
    Learned Aristotelian logic in his sixth year.
    At six, Billy learned Russian, French, German, and Hebrew, and soon after, Turkish and Armenian.
    Calculated mentally a day any date in history would fall at age six. Absolutely fascinated by calendars.
    Learned Gray's Anatomy at six. Could pass a student medical examination.
    Billy started grammar school at six, in 3 days 3rd grade, graduated grammar school in 7 months.
    At age 8, Billy surpassed his father (a genius) in mathematics.
    Corrected E. V. Huntington's mathematics text galleys at age of eight.
    Total recall of everything he read.
    Wrote four books between ages of four and eight. Two on anatomy and astronomy, lost.
    Passed Harvard Medical School anatomy exam at age seven.
    Passed MIT entrance exam at age eight.
    Intellect surpassed best secondary school teachers.
    At age 10, in one evening, corrected Harvard logic professor Josiah Royce's book manuscript: citing, "wrong paragraphs."
    Attempted to enroll in Harvard at nine.
    In 1909, became youngest student to ever enroll at Harvard at age 11.
    In 1910, at age 11, lectured Harvard Mathematical Club on 'Four-Dimensional Bodies.'
    Billy graduated from Harvard, cum laude, on June 24, 1914, at age 16.
    Billy entered Harvard Law School in 1916.
    Billy could learn a whole language in one day!
    Billy knew all the languages (approximately 200) of the world, and could translate among them instantly!

    Here is a partial list of William James Sidis' idiosyncratic and acultural behaviors:

    Utter disregard of sports and physical activities — learned from his father.
    Utter disregard of things monetary — learned from his father.
    Utter disregard for academia, academicians, academic bureaucracy and their 'titles.'
    Collected street car transfers. Knew most details of most routes in USA.
    Rabid atheist by age six. (His father, Boris, was too, but intensely studied great religious works.)
    His only fear was dogs.
    Learned to hate mathematics in grammar school; later at 7.5 years he started a life long love of math.
    Avid interest in politics.
    Dressed in Russian peasant clothes as a minor.
    On hearing a Bible read aloud, declared he didn't believe in that and didn't want to hear it.
    In school, only worked problems to which he didn't know answers.
    After 3 months in high school, parents withdrew him; teachers were relieved.
    Thinking was his chosen refuge from media antagonists.
    Essence of Billy Sidis: On page 106, of The Prodigy, Amy Wallace quotes Billy on his view of the perfect life, "I want to live the perfect life. The only way to live the perfect life is to live it in seclusion. I have always hated crowds." These sentences, in your reviewer's opinion, are an excellent micro-biography of mankind's finest known intellect.
    Celibate: Vowed never to marry. (One of his 154 rules for life.) "Women do not appeal to me." See Pirsig's comments on this below — Pirsig on Sidis' celibacy
    Considered traditional classrooms, 'stifling.'
    Billy was a pacifist, anti-war, conscientious objector. (See our research link at top of page.)
    He was a reformed communist/socialist — eventually found both intellectually disgusting.
    Paradoxes were his logical specialty."

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  3. theoneiuse Theoneiuse Registered Senior Member


    hey man i notice you rewrote my comment nice! haha your a good human i hope you realize violence is not the key try counseling it worked for my brother oh and by the way if all the combined intelligence of the human species ever adds up to 1 maybe even you might have something to be proud of
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  5. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

    You are right. I totally agree. By the way, my previous post in this thread was just a regurtitation of all that had been said in this thread prior. Quotes all around, so to say.
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  7. kmguru Staff Member

    Can a person have IQ of 300 at age 80? What would that mean? And how can you calculate? And what can he or she do at age 80?
  8. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

    Serve as president of the u.s. for 4 years? T'would be a great improvement, imho.
  9. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

    have implants boost intelligence, maybe that'd be a nanotech implant, little robot agents running around enhancing neural connectivity, they mutate into robots that can enhance other functions, respitory, muscular, structural, sensory, nervous system, eventually, the human with said implant system would be transhuman, part philosopher, part poet, part martial-art's expert, part warrior, part fighter pilot, who may be able with sufficient symbiosis between nanoimplants and the person, be able to not age, only dying from accidnetal or deliberate death, with immunity from AIDS, cancers, high resistance to radiation and toxins, letting that person achieve expertise in more than just one or two areas of expertise, but dozens, maybe hundreds. 30 or 40 college degrees before death, letting the person design entire spacecraft, write poetry of many hundred's of years experience that is unlike what the world has ever heard, and have a genuine thirst for knowledge, and thus would probably escape the boundaries of earth-based society and go outward, into the unknown.

    this has been a daydream of the comming of transhumanism
  10. orcot Valued Senior Member

    or make it a pupet?
  11. orcot Valued Senior Member

    sounds like a nothing more then a highly advanced puppet.
  12. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

    I see I'm not the only one having trouble posting because of "waiting for www.sciforums.com"
  13. orcot Valued Senior Member

    yeah but i got a message that it failed to send
  14. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

    Yes, but you posted the same exact message twice because you were "waiting for www.sciforums.com." I've had to delete multiple duplicate posts because of this.
  15. Smia Registered Member


    To further Rayview's idea on above "normal" human iq I wish to challenge the idea that perhaps our tests to indicate the human iq is a key element in holding brilliant minds back. These tests of language, mathmatics, and learning ability have, in my opinion, been regarded too much as the set in stone answer to how intelligent a person can be. The formal iq test was created generations ago and is frankly out dated. What if (I'm just fantazing, so bear with me) someone out there is the genuis noone can imagine? Just like the atom; perhaps our set line for human intellegence needs repairing, as did the atom when after more research they discovered the smallest thing in the universe is actually home to a whole universe of other ideas.
  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Smia, did you notice the date of the previous post? 2005. Most of those people don't even post here anymore.
  17. John99 Banned Banned

    of course that isnt possible. then the subject is not considered to be measurable in a common sense. perhaps psychic ability and telepathy would be displayed.
  18. kmguru Staff Member

    William James Sidis = I think he wasted his talent studying law.

    I do not consider anyone is a genius unless they have accelerated human evolution and standing in this little planet several order of magnitudes. Like next person or group who develops technology to transmit food and stuff from China to USA in a few seconds (transmat?), developing Stargate or similar contraption, develops chemical messengers that regrows new tooth or fingers if you lost one, develops technology to create the next fusion reactor.

    These are serious value to our crowded planet. I am tired of 22 hour plane rides.
  19. Cybernetics Registered Member

    1. In a standard origional IQ test you cant go above 170, anything above that relies on a non licenced refounded test which has not been properley varified.
    2. the average IQ is now around 114 not 100
    3. Being somwhere on the spectrum of an Idiot Savant is common in people of particularly high IQs meaning that actualy they are not capable of properly comunicating their ideas
    4. Certain dificulties Eg. dyslexia are diagnosed by being particularly bad at one aspect of an IQ test.
    5. you can still be a genious without a particularly large working memory, This is why i have an IQ on first percentile for everything but working memory tests in which i am in the 27th. for this reason i write things down and am classed as profoundly dislexic.
    6. an IQ is an aproximation of the efficiency of all of sombodies mental functions.
    7. above a certain level of inteligence mental speed is irelivent becasue the brain outstrips the speed sombody can comunicate or write and computers are more efective at such things anyway sot the abilityto do super fast calculations are irelavent.
    8. I belive that IQ tests are a very crude aproxomation and the percentile system is far more usefull for showing actual ability in different areas.
  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

    One can have an extraordinary gift for reason and intelligence and absolute shit short and long-term memory.
    Many do, in fact.

    The two do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.
  21. kmguru Staff Member

    I wonder what is the effect of ones decision making ability when one will have/ has access to Google 24X7...like a netbook or iPad.....would that be considered as plugged in....
  22. Cybernetics Registered Member

    the internet is really forming a hive mind and massive library, it is full of opinions whihc are used in other peoples decision making processes, somthing on th einternet is known by or atleast availabal to all thus it is infact a group conchousness.
  23. Rav Valued Senior Member

    I for one welcome our new crude cyborg overlords.
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