Explainations of Terms in Rock Music

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  1. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, i know this sounds stupid, but please bear with me :

    can someone explicitly explain differences between the following (define them individually please and try to explain them in truest form possible)...

    1.)Rock music
    2.)Progressive Rock
    3.)Psychedelic Rock
    4.)Soft Rock
    5.)Rock' n' Roll
    5.) Hard Rock
    6.) Grunge
    7.)Metal
    8.)Heavy Metal
    9.)hard than Heavy metal (death gothic etc.)

    thanks.
    Rick
     
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  3. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! people know their Rock music here

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    The author is not responsible for the authenticity of these explanations
     
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  7. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    Very funny, tablariddim!

    I listen to all kinds of rock music, but I can't determine what characterizes each genre. I can name artists from each one, though.

    Go to www.wikipedia.org and search for any of these and it will give you a detailed explanation.
     
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    1.) Rock music: A type of jazz originally called Rock and Roll which evolved in the early 1950s from bebop, blues, and country & western music. It is generally composed as popular songs and characterized by a prominent, steady, heavily syncopated rhythm with a powerful backbeat; a blues modality; guitar, drums, and bass instrumentation; loud singing and overall high volume; and lyrics about rebellion and other topics often calculated to offend non-fans. As rock music has become the dominant form of jazz and, in much of the world, the dominant style of music, it has grown under the direction of its own spirit and many other influences so that fifty years after its debut much of it would be unrecognizable to its early performers and fans. The only element that is still universal is the backbeat (stress on the second and fourth beats of each measure). For examples of the original rock music, listen to Little Richard, Elvis Presley, and Chuck Berry.

    2.) Progressive Rock: A type of rock music developed in the very late 1960s to mid 1970s, primarily in the U.K., that expanded the form with classical influences, longer songs with intricate dynamics, non-traditional instruments and synthesized sounds. Many songs had movements, some of which dropped the essentials such as the backbeat and the blues modality. Examples: Yes, Genesis.

    3.) Psychedelic Rock: Also known as Acid Rock, a type of rock music developed in California and the U.K. in the mid 1960s to mid 1970s (the era called in retrospect, inaccurately, "the Sixties"), which added Middle Eastern modalities and instruments such as the sitar, long improvised sections, abstract or even nonsensical lyrics, and other motifs which were said to appeal to listeners who took drugs, to enhance the drug experience, to be more accessible during a drug experience, or to encourage drug use. Examples: Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix.

    4.) Soft Rock: Rock music stripped of its harsher attributes such as loudness, driving rhythms, and rebellious themes. The term was coined in the 1970s by radio stations trying to appeal to listeners in their thirties and has since fallen largely into disuse.Examples: James Taylor, Carly Simon.

    5.) Rock' n' Roll: The original name of Rock music, also spelled Rock and Roll.

    6.) Hard Rock: Rock music with the original harshness intact. The term was coined in the 1970s to contrast with "soft rock," but it is still in use for music thought to embrace the original spirit of rock and roll. Examples: Ozzy Osbourne, Korn.

    7.) Grunge: A type of rock music developed in the 1990s in Seattle. It does not stand out today as more than an interesting variety of harder-edged rock. At the time it was touted as a reaction to some of the softer, keyboard-dominated rock that was prominent in the 1980s, with its gruff-sounding vocalists and its return to lyrics of rebellion and the basic guitar-drums-bass configuration. Examples: Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots.

    8.) Heavy Metal (or just "Metal"): A type of rock music that arose in the very late 1960s, achieved its definition in the 1970s, and continued into the 1980s, using intricately syncopated repeating guitar figures, virtuoso guitar solos, distorted sounds, and lyrics often about depressing or shocking subjects. Examples: Black Sabbath, Metallica.

    9.) Harder than Heavy Metal (death, gothic etc.). (I'm not as familiar with all of these. Their defining characteristics tend to be the lyrics rather than the instrumental music.) Examples (I think): Tool, Type O Negative.

    Some important genres you omitted:

    Rockabilly: With a name derived by combining "rock and roll" with "hillbilly", one of the prominent forms of early rock music, with a bebop twelve-beat instead of the eight-beat that has become almost universal. With a rhythm similar to the Western Swing rhythm that dominated Country & Western music during the 1950s and generally performed by American Southerners, rockabilly songs appealed to fans of both rock and country & western music. This unifying power of rock music was overlooked by older critics who decried its iconoclastic spirit. Examples: Bill Haley & the Comets, the Everly Brothers.

    Folk Rock: Traditional folk music and folk-inspired original compositions in traditional styles became popular during the 1950s and reached their peak in the mid 1960s. Amid great controversy, folksingers and rock musicians came together and fused the two styles, peforming more-or-less traditionally inspired melodies with lyrics about contemporary social issues on amplified instruments backed by the ever-growing rock drum kit. Examples: Bob Dylan, Simon and Garfunkel.

    Soul: The original unifying power of rock music began to dissipate in the mid 1960s. Black American musicians and audiences were drawn to a type of rock music that drew less from its country & western roots and added a strong influence from gospel music but directed that energy into songs about secular themes, prominently love and sex. Examples: Aretha Franklin, James Brown.

    Southern Rock: Rock music influenced by the motifs of country music, with lyrics about life in the American South and its issues. One of the hallmarks of Southern Rock is the "twin guitar solo," actually a duet in harmony by two guitarists. Examples: the Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd.

    Funk: An intricately syncopated form of rock music using sixteenth-notes. Funk was originally a motif of soul music but has since become more widespread, most ironically in Southern Rock. Examples: Stevie Wonder, the Black-Eyed Peas.

    Reggae: A type of rock music deliberately invented by Jamaican musicians in the 1960s to stop Jamaica from being identified with calypso, the music of Trinidad. It has a loping, doubly syncopated beat with lyrics that tend to speak of world peace and harmony, the Rastafarian faith, and the smoking of ganja. Examples: Bob Marley, Burning Spear.

    Disco: Short for "discotheque," a type of dance club which arose in the late 1960s that played only recorded music. Disco music was a stripped-down form of soul-flavored rock music crafted in the early 1970s for dancing, with a steady beat almost devoid of syncopation and with a barely audible backbeat. The lyrics of disco songs tended to be about dancing and night life. Passionate rock fans regarded disco as a sign that rock was dead. Examples: The Bee Gees, the Village People

    Punk: A type of rock music that arose in the mid 1970s, arguably largely as a reaction to disco, a shout that rock was not dead. It reverted to the roots of rock in instrumentation and attitude, and was often very simple with only three chords and no solos, as if the musicians were barely trained. The lyrics were generally about youth rebellion, although the genre also produced songs about deeper issues. Examples: The Sex Pistols, the Ramones.

    New Wave: A type of rock music that arose in the late 1970s almost as an adjunct of Punk. However, New Wave music was extremely disciplined and often complex, relied on keyboard synthesizers, and its lyrics were often nonsensical. Examples: Devo, the B-52s.

    Rap: A type of rock music developed in the late 1970s in which the vocals are not sung but spoken rhythmically, similar to the "talking blues" of an earlier era. Rap has a loud, prominent rhythm, but the instrumentation is often spare and often derived from "sampling" recorded music. The lyrics are often rebellious to the point of seeming to condone extremely antisocial or downright criminal behavior. Examples: Snoop Doggy Dogg, Eminem.

    Hip-Hop: An offshoot of rap music with melodic interludes and less aggressive lyrics. Examples: MC Hammer, Linkin Park.

    Techno-Funk: An evolution of New Wave in the early 1980s as the musicians became more skillful, adopting funk rhythms. Although Heavy Metal, Soft Rock, Soul, and many other types of rock music were popular in the 1980s, Techno-Funk was and is often regarded as the era's defining musical style. Examples: Duran Duran, Eurythmics.

    Fusion: By the late 1960s, rock music had become well established, earned respect, and developed a substantial library of motifs and techniques. Jazz and rock musicians began to collaborate to rejoin this offspring of jazz to its parent genre. The resulting "fusion" typically incorporates the following elements of rock: instrumentation anchored by electric guitar, electric bass, and huge drum kit; longer compositions with complex harmonic structure and chord patterns; prominent, steady, danceable eight-beat rhythm with a strong backbeat; fade-out endings; and the following elements of traditional jazz: diverse instrumentation such as horns and woodwinds; modalities not primarily limited to blues; purely instrumental compositions. The term "fusion" is no longer in wide usage and this music is now often categorized simply as jazz.
     
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  9. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    Fraggle, I disagree with your definition of rap. It is not a type of rock music at all. And I wouldn't consider Linkin Park to be Hip-Hop. They are what most people consider "Nu-metal"

    Also, to add to your definition of "Harder than Heavy Metal":
    Regular heavy typically has clear chords, riffs, and guitar solos, all with some distortion on the guitars. Death metal on the other hand, has extremely distorted guitars, with simple chord progressions. Usually there is no guitar solo. It relies mostly on lyrics and rhythm. And the vocals of death metal are more of an angry growl/scream than singing. They are usually about death, hate, or other negative ideas. Examples: Cradle of Filth, Sepultura.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    OK, I'm not going to quibble. I haven't kept track of Linkin Park too well since "In the End" reminded MTV that it's not impossible to still make good videos. I thought that song was clearly hip-hop: rap with a sung bridge, or vice versa. As an "old metalhead," to me "nu-metal" is Korn. I guess I just don't listen to death, black, goth, and the other hyphenated new forms of metal. I assumed that "Freaks of Nature" by Drain Sth with its lyrics about leeches, zombies, and necrophilia is a nicely done spoof of death metal and tried to imagine what the real stuff would be like. It doesn't sound like I was too far off, although their chord charts are more complex than you speak of and they have rather nice (all female) voices. It's amusing that your definition of death metal is pretty close to how parents would have described Black Sabbath in 1975, Judas Priest in 1980, or Metalllica in 1985. So Tool would simply have to be less talented musicians to qualify? ^_^

    As for rap, it seems that its mention always stirs controversy. But I stick by my definition. If we can call rap music at all, and I believe that question has been settled at least on SciForums, then its roots are funk and funk is rock and roll. The only musical component left in pure rap is the rhythm, which is loud, steady, danceable, and intricately syncopated, has a prominent backbeat, and fades out at the end. That is a rock and roll rhythm and nothing else. Oh yeah, the iconoclastic lyrics are almost deliberately crafted to offend non-fans. That is also rock and roll!

    Anyway, I hope I helped Zion get an A on his class paper. ^_^
     
  11. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    If it is needed, I can offer my overview of the Industrial genre.
     
  12. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Please do.

    some fuckwad:

    "And the vocals of death metal are more of an angry growl/scream than singing. They are usually about death, hate, or other negative ideas. Examples: Cradle of Filth, Sepultura."

    It's always good to use as examples of a genre things that aren't PART OF THAT FUCKING GENRE, retard.
    Please go drown yourself in a public men's bathroom.
     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Could some of us opt for drowning in a WOMEN'S public bathroom instead?

    Baron Max
     
  14. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Call Cradle of Filth death metal and you won't be given a choice.
     
  15. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I think rap is an offshoot of hip hop instead. Hip hop is described, by followers, as a culture. So that break dancing can be considered a part of hip hop, just like rap. In music terms, you might call rap the mainstream stuff you loathe so much and hip hop the underground stuff you never get to hear.
     
  16. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry! Don't be so harsh! So I don't listen to death metal. Oh no! I should be killed for making a mistake. You know what, Xev? You've made mistakes in your life, too. How would you like it if I ridiculed and mocked you for one simple mistake?

    I could respond with a big "FUCK YOU" but I'm too nice a person to do that. Instead, I'll give you some friendly advice. If you don't stop acting like a pompous ass, you're never going to make any friends. Calling someone a "fuckwad" for making a simple, harmless, mistake is no way to live.

    When I disagree, I state it kindly, like this:
    Notice I didn't tell him to kill himself. Nor did I call him a fuckwad.

    Take a lesson from that, Xev.

    If you just hate me because of my relatively low post count, then I suggest you go get a life.
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Except that rap came first. The industry logs the first rap recording as one by Blondie in about 1977. Rap is street poetry. Kids had been rapping in the streets for at least five years before that.

    Hip-hop is entertainment. More melody and harmony than rap (like any at all), lyrics about lighter stuff than rap. It took the exposure of music television for hip-hop to really come of age, in the early 1980s.
     
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    Parallel to American rap or perhaps as a precursor to it, were the West Indian blues Toasters of the very early 70's or even late 60's, where the DJ would 'rap' whatever ganja inspired stuff would come into his mind over long intros of album tracks or during 'dub' breaks in the songs.
     
  19. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    rap is a mainly vocal music backed by repetive drum/bass tracks with no more than 8 beats performed by those with little musical talent and no ability to write lyrics with meaning.
     
  20. BipolarDan Registered Member

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    1.)Rock music= the genre in its most general form. This encompasses a lot of other genres, from The Beatles, to System of a Down, to Pearl Jam, to Bob Marley, to Elvis...

    2.)Progressive Rock= Music that appears to be more progressive (perhaps "intelligent" one could say) than most music around it. Tends to be more experimental, such as Incubus, Tool, and other bands that are less oridinary.

    3.)Psychedelic Rock= anything that is 'trippy', or sounds like it was written on acid, or should be listened to on acid. Think funky.

    4.)Soft Rock= Same rock instruments, but not heavy. Perhaps like Garth Brooks, or Nickelback, or Creed.

    5.)Rock' n' Roll= stereotypical rock music, really. Blue jeans, simple beats, maybe sunglasses. Plenty of solos. Beatles, George Thorogood.

    5.) Hard Rock= Heavier rock music, but not necessarily metal. Three Days Grace, Linkin Park, Disturbed, perhaps also called Alternative rock

    6.) Grunge= early 90's, late 80's. Dirty, antisocial music. Nirvana, Pearl Jam.

    7.)Metal= fast guitars, grumbly bass. Angry. There is some debate as to whether post-grunge bands like KoRn, Deftones, SlipKnot, Mudvayne, etc, should be considered Metal or Nu Metal.

    8.)Heavy Metal= Earlier metal is usually put under here I believe. Metallica, Black Sabbath.

    9.)hard than Heavy metal (death gothic etc.)=Death Metal/Black Metal is usually fast, with lots of double-kick drumming and screaming. Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir
     
  21. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Rats...

    There goes my theory that AC/DC invented rap in 1980, with Back In Black

    Back in black
    I hit the sack
    I've been too long I'm glad to be back
    Yes, I'm let loose
    From the noose
    That's kept me hanging about
    I've been looking at the sky
    'Cause it's gettin' me high
    Forget the hearse 'cause I never die
    I got nine lives
    Cat's eyes
    Abusin' every one of them and running wild

    CHORUS:
    'Cause I'm back
    Yes, I'm back
    Well, I'm back
    Yes, I'm back
    Well, I'm back, back
    I'm back in black
    Yes, I'm back in black

    Back in the back
    Of a Cadillac
    Number one with a bullet, I'm a power pack
    I'm in a bang
    With a gang
    They've got to catch me if they want me to hang
    Cause I'm back on the track
    And I'm beatin' the flack
    Nobody's gonna get me on another rap
    So look at me now
    I'm just makin' my play
    Don't try to push your luck, just get out of my way

    CHORUS



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  22. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    What are you talking about??? Every single one of those words is sung, not spoken, which is the essence of rap. Check out the sheet music, it's got real notes. Admittedly Brian Johnson has a vocal range comparable to James Hetfield or Johnny Cash, about half an octave on a good day, but he's still singing.

    I suppose you're noting the slippery slope from the Caribbean dub style of rapping to Brian Johnson's singing. It can be argued that dubbing is at least "tonal" rather than pure speaking. But doing seven or eight syllables in a row on one note and then rising exactly one whole tone and doing the next seven or eight syllables there before dropping back down is not exactly "singing." There's no melodic or harmonic structure there. If that's singing, then speaking Chinese is performing grand opera.

    Sorry, I call "Back in Black" a song, not a rap. Of course I have heard the funky guitar intro sampled into a rap song. It works pretty well.

    Rhythmically spoken words over a musical background are of course nothing new. It's just an update on the old "talkin' blues" style of the mid-century. As recently as 1970 Kris Kristofferson had a popular talkin' blues: "To Beat the Devil."

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    It was wintertime in Nashville down on Music City row,
    And I was lookin' for a place to get my ass out of the cold.
    To warm the frozen feelin' that was eatin' at my soul,
    And to keep the chilly wind off my guitar.

    My thirsty wanted whiskey and my hungry needed beans,
    But it'd been a month of paydays since I'd heard that eagle scream.
    So with a stomach full of empty and a pocket full of dreams,
    I left my pride and stepped inside a bar...

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    It had a sung bridge but the verses were spoken. I suppose today that would make it hip-hop instead of rap. ^_^

    Actually, looking back on it, I think much of Bob Dylan's early songs were really talkin' blues. In some of his hits like "Mister Jones," he varied the pitch of his voice more pronouncedly than one would usually do in speech, but the tones weren't really melodic and it would be a real stretch to call it "singing." In fact there were millions of people who insisted that it wasn't. ^_^
     
  23. malkavpunk Now with Child Protective Cap Registered Senior Member

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    Variations of Punk, in very simple terms:

    Punk Rock: The stuff explained before, 1970's, Sex Pistols, Ramones, that type of stuff. Also refered to in the punk scene as "77' punk" or "old school punk".

    Street Punk: Very fast, aggressive punk, often with more screaming than your average punk rock. Comprises a lot of "gang vocals" in which the whole band chants anthemic choruses and bridges together. Often times lyrics are about working class roots, rebellion, or brotherhood, (but not to be confused with it's first cousin, Oi). the casualtis, the unsee

    Oi: A variation of Punk Rock, developing slightly after the original in Britain. Named for it's characteristic chanting of "OI!" in the songs. Very closely related to streetpunk, but usually slightly less fast. Oi is generally associated with the Skinhead Culture, thought this is not always true. The Business, Sham 69

    Hardcore: Agro vocals, somewhat similar to street punk, but with more shouting and less screaming (very vague, but i'm trying as hard as i can). Song length usually varies between 30 seconds and 1.5 minutes. "chugga-chugga" style guitar riffs, few solos. Also characterized by "breakdowns", dancable portions of songs that show a noticable change in beat structure to the rest of the song. Hardcore is usually seen as being born in Washington D.C. as an outcry of repulsion for what kids there saw as the selling-out of your average punk rock to fashion and money.Black Flag, Gorilla Biscuits, Minor Threat

    Straight-Edge: More a genre of message than of sound, straight-edge was supposedly started by Minor Threat with their song "out of step". Straight-edge is typically hardcore with an emphasis on a lifestyle that is chemical free. "hardliners" take the philosophy even further, to include vegetarianism/veganism, and absolutely no casual sex. Interestingly enough, the otherwise healthy lifestyle that straigh-edge (sXe) promotes is often augmented by a violent outlook on life, typically a violent approach to non-straightedgers. This is a stereotype, of course. Minor Threat, Most Precious Blood

    Pop Punk: A style of punk that started in the late 80's to the early 90's with a cleanere image and sound. Song structure remains pretty simple, but more easily accesible to the common ear and more catchy, thus the name "pop punk". Usually involves more melodic singing, and possible even vocal harmonies, previously unknown to punk rock. Green Day, The Offspring, Screeching Weasel, The Queers
     

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