Evil in the Eye of the Beholder?

Re: wes

hehe, you mean you dug it up from the yard just for ME?!?!

doooooood.

far too kind.

(I'll pass thanks)

 

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Re: RE

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osting of 11/10/03, MEPHURA

I feel you there. I've had that happen a number of times. Mainly when I am on this damn laptop.
Grrr..
I hate this thing.
At least it lets me post.

Well, PMT, there is one little quip I have with this. I said most of my beliefs. I have my fair share of beliefs that are way out there. I can't prove them, and I can't really support them. Because of that, I won't argue them. The beliefs I am speaking of in terms of being logical and reasonable are ones that deal with small matters such as these. I don't believe in demons, absolutes in terms of good and evil, or that anyone has all the answers. I believe that certain things may or may not exist, such as aliens, and ghosts. I feel that it is reasonable to withhold judgement on these matters until hard proof is set before me.
As far as what I personally feel is right and wrong, and my personal 'religeous' beliefs go, they are only my opinions. I can not prove them, so I will not present them as facts. While I might at sometime discuss these matters, i will not attempt to convert others nor will I expect anyone else to think them valid beliefs.
I'm not a recent graduate.
I just try to stay open minded, non biased, and thoughtful in what I will say is 'true'. Most of the time this results in me saying that it is either impossible for us to know or that the issue is subjective.
Does that clarify things for you?

I don't enjoy debating much. The main time you will find me actually bothering to is when someone makes a claim that can't be proven, and states that claim as though it were fact. One that comes easily to mind happened not to long ago. Someone tried to make the case that anyone that exihibited a certain behavior was totally devoid of morals all together. In that case, even though i disagreed with the behavior in question, i wound up almost defending these people. In truth, however, i was merely arguing that they could, infact, have moral despite this behavior.

In truth, you seem like an alright guy. It was, in part, genuine concern.

I know it wasn't what you ment. It was said for effect, basically. Glad to see it had the one intended. As I have said a few times already. I will not say that some one is wrong for believing as they do. I will say it when they present those beliefs as a fact, if that fact cannot be proven.

I tend to react according to how I am approached. Some, however, have tested my patience one too many times and will probably, therefore, no longer receive that benefit.
It is good to hear that you don't believe that to be the case. As for what I thought, I'm not sure. Too much of my time has been spent on more detestable personages.
My appologies.

Actually, it depends on the nature of the individual. Some I can do so with and actually enjoy the...challenge? Mostly, however, it is just a chore that I busy myself with. If anything, I find it irritating how idiotic and unreasonable some can be. In the end, even if I might have had some respect for that person, I find myself looking at them with disdain. I get no real pleasure from proving or stating the obvious repeatedly. The more these people play their games and make me do so, the less I think of them and the less reason I find to have civil discourse with them.

Agreed, and yes, it makes perfect sense. That is the way I perfer to do things. Some here have trouble separating the ideas from the person.

By external, I refered to an entity in and of itself. A devil, demon whathave you. A embodiment of evil. That is what I do not accept.
Of course evil can be internalized. So far, what you have said makes sense. I have a small problem, but it is mainly a semantic one. I'll not bring it up just now because of that.

I find that, generally speaking, the people that attempt to justify their involvement in reprehesible acts/practices are generally ones who have either not given them much thought or haven't the capacity to do so.
There are always the few individuals who have thought things through and still do such things. They tend to be....interesting to say the least.

I wasn't speaking so much in that it isn't the sun moving, but rather we have no guarantee that this will happen. Everything we know leads us to believe it will, but that still isn't proof of the future.

Perhaps the error is mine. I've looked back through the posts ans cannot seem to find a place where I did this. Perhaps I am just overlooking it. If it was concerning that little intro paragraph, that is something else entirely. I will explain if that is where the confusion lies.

I just found it funny that the main bulk of your reply was to the first two or three sentences and that the rest of my message went largely uncommented upon.

I'm a bit cunfused as what you mean exactly by your qoutes were cut off.

 

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ooops

sorry wes
got carried away

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me "whore" ra

get into that thick skull of yours that the "rest" is garbage and not worth a frikkin response!

i am gonna "twit" and "dribble" your ass now
fuck the dankass. she is out and you are in!

 

whore!

As for my judgements, they are biased towards me and mine.

yes you frikkin sociopath, i am sure they are!

this shit is nothing but crap based on erroneous concepts of the ""other"
attitudes that are more suited for the middle ages are being touted as the norm. stressing differences b/w societies and minimizing similarities is indicative of petty provincialism and racism.

the common thread that runs thru societies is humanity!
deny this and i will fuck you up. i will not respect opinions stemming from pathology.

step forward cunts!

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I will assume universal applies to Earth and humans....

Considering that morality and the like is present in all human societies, I conclude therefore that it is a function of society needed by society or those exterting power over society to ensure its survival or functioning. Humans formed society as a necessary survival tactic and therefore morality is merely another way to ensure humanity's survival. Are you with me thus far? Ok. All morality therefore, believing Darwin, stems from this need to survive-- survival of the species/self bla bla. Morality therefore stems from one, and all paths from the fundamental are merely adaptions necessiatated by their environment. There is no universal "evil" per se, but they all stem from the same exact source. So depending on one's viewpoint along the evolutionary ladder-- societal, a view that "evil" is subjective or that there is a universal "evil" are both correct.

 

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PMT:

Oh. Me. Oh. My.

Once in a blue moon I *will* make a mistake and that "you, sir, should realize what you're messing with" clause was absolutely addressed to the wrong person.

I wrote that back when I was getting a feel for this thread. Get ready because you've got me cringing..........:"my apologies".

Bleh mlah and hurl. Back to misantropy.

However PMT- word of caution. Deaing with something as elusive as evil you're going to have to put the definitions away. Its all in motivation. But Jan here would have it that there are absolutes that define evil in the act alone and now a miserable troll would have it that you can spot evil as easily as you could a fucking toupee.

Ain't that right, spooky?

 

Re: meph

Learn to read twit.
Quote me where I said ethics has nothing to do with the topic.
What I did say is try answering the questoin and backing up your opinion.
As for why I brought up subjectivity, look at what I said when I did so.
Evil is subjective.
After that I answered why I thought so.
That would be an example of stayingon topic.
As for how I define evil, I don't.
Personally, as I've already said, I think the whole matter is subjective. Try reading the posts.
I hate repeating myself, but I guess there are a few slow ones in every crowd.

As for dictating your responses, I can't.
You Don't Have Any.

Prove it, twit.
You've yet to show anything that even remotely resembles a valid argument.

Show me where I said it wasn't.
What you are doning is akin to discussing all of math when the question pertains to addition only.

At least I can present an opinion, support it and answer questions posed about my stance.
Seems to be more than you can do.
why isn't that surprising...

Firstly, i couldn't care less what you do Spookz. You are easily overlooked. I actually make the effort to reply to you when, in truth, you aren't worth my time.
Like the rest of your claims, you've got nothing.

Should I pack swim trunks? I hear it's nice this time of year...

More like the degenerate

And I'm the fag? WHat is this obsession you have with my ass all of a sudden spookz?

Yeah, you stated a bunch of shit that you fail to support. You have failed to present any evidence to abck up your claims. You dodge any questions that put them to the test.

In short, Spookz,
You haven't said shit.
Or, to be more exact, that is about all you've said.

 

whore!

Quote me where I said ethics has nothing to do with the topic.

This thread degenerated as soon as you entered and decided to run with the ethics shit instead of sticking to the topic. (mephura)

do i have to fucking spell this out for you, frikking brain dead piece of crap?
fucking arguing with you is like dealing with a brain that has neurons firing in a totally random and haphazard manner

get it together cos i am in this with your whorish ass for the long haul. you will see no fucking respite.

 

Re: meph

Well, apparently you didn't think evil was too ambiguous when you said I was wrong in my claim that it was subjective.
If I am wrong in that claim, the evil is objective. Since that is what you are saying, you shouldn't have a problem showing, objectively, that abortion is either evil or not.

Pretty straight foreward .
Unless of course you where just, as I've stated a few times now, not actually deailng with the topic and instead just starting shit.

The relevance is spelled out for you now, in black and white.
you made the claim, twit.
back it up.

 

Re: Re: meph

one more time, whore
"twit" and "dribble" is the shit that you started. i will finish it!
quit your fucking useless whining about the "topic". shove the topic up your whorish ass, punk! i have issues with your assertions !

now, enough with the distractions!

 

Cute how you went back and edited in half the post to make it look like i couldn't answer.

And, what purpose would that serve as I am judging them case by case?
The only reason to look for such theme/patterns would be the creation of generalities to compare future cases to.
Now why would I do that instead of judging a case on its own merits?

Nope. They don't affect me, so I don't care what they don't mind.

Hmm. So if I want to live, everyone does?
I guess everyone finds you to be a twit too then.
I can only feel my own desires.

What happened to applying your self preservation instinct to others, Spookz? So its bad when others don't do it, but not when you don't?

 

Cute how you went back and edited in half the post to make it look like i couldn't answer.

you fucking moron
you cannot dictate my goddamn pace. neither do i know your schedule. if you find shit you missed for whatever reason, you always can make a new fucking post. do not distract with false issues, you cunt.

i know wherein dishonesty lies in this board, whore!

 

Re: meph

Sociopathic, eh? I think I am detecting a bit of projection. If anyone seems antisocial here spookz, it's you.
Try again.
Put a little effort into it this time.

Do you realise that they don't need your respect for their lifestyle for it to exist? I don't care what you respect and why. You can be as bigoted as you want. It doesn't bother me one bit, twit.

Racist? nope.
You show me where leaving a baby out to freeze in our society is tolerated, and I will admit I was wrong. Last I checked, it was slightly illegal in our society. Besides that point, how is me being tolerant of other societies racist? That one doesn't fly to good, twit. Try again.
Do you understand that it isn't about educatoin and family planning. It's about survival.

Personally, I feel about the same towards you, but for completely different reasons.

Waste of space? Not my words, twit. You are on your own now.

Horrific acts of violence? How cute.
It isn't violent. They just lay them outside in the snow. It isn't like we are talking about bashing their heads open with rocks.
As for why I excuse it, it isn't out of notions of fairness, twit.
It is because I have respect for other peoples' ways of life and societies. .

 

Re: whore!

Perhaps if i was stressing those differences to show the superiority of my own (like you are doing).
I'm not. I'm simply stating how things are. They have their way, and I can respect that, even if close minded little bigots like you can't.

So now we are talking about the common threads of different societies? My, my, my..
How far off topic are you going to drag us twit?

And just for the fun of seeing you try.
There is no common thread that runs through all societies. Not a one.

 

Re: whore!

Spell what out? That you obviously can't read?
The topic isn't ethics in general. It is whether evil is subjective or not. No where did I say that ethics has nothing to do with it. I said ethics isn't the topic, twit.

Soo... when can I expect this hell you where talking about?
Unless hell is a conversation with a metally deficient preschooler (ie, you), I'm still waiting.

 

Re: Re: Re: meph

You mean you are going to quit posting?

 

You are right. If I could dictate you pace, I would have you running at the same pace as the rest of us, twit.

You should know "wherein dishonesty lies in this board". It is, after all, all yours.

 

Re: Re: meph

Quote me where I said ethics has nothing to do with the topic.

well? do you acknowledge you did?

You've yet to show anything that even remotely resembles a valid argument.

you refuse to acknowledge it. i have made my opinion clear in a very harsh manner. you couldnt have missed it

Show me where I said it wasn't.

do you see? do you acknowledge?

At least I can present an opinion, support it and answer questions posed about my stance.

yah grovel, dumb shit. your tactics of ignoring my viewpoint fools no one!

Firstly, i couldn't care less what you do Spookz. You are easily overlooked. I actually make the effort to reply to you when, in truth, you aren't worth my time.

stupid shit. you lie. you have been obssessing. you have been itching to to pick a fight with me. now you got it. what was it? stop the hate? your hatred is transparent, whore

Like the rest of your claims, you've got nothing.

of course punk. you would know all about that

iAnd I'm the fag? WHat is this obsession you have with my ass all of a sudden spookz?

just imagining a fat cock up it, thats all. is that evil?

You dodge any questions that put them to the test.

ah yes, the fastfood forum