Egyptian energy SOLVED?!?

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  1. Bob-a-builder Registered Member

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    EGYPT ENERGY BREAKTHROUGH (seems like): A very tiny crystal produces enough electricity to shoot a bolt of lightning that is strong enough to light your gas barbecue every time you press a button.

    Could that crystal energy also be derived if you hit it with a hammer?

    What if you took a rock that was 60% + Quartz Crystal (like Granite) and hit that with a hammer? Would you create any Piezo-electricity?

    Egypt is filled with hundreds of what appear to be machined Granite boxes that have high crystal content.

    Saqqara has 24 such boxes and they weigh up to 100 tons each.

    What would happen if you hit a 100 ton granite box with a hammer? Would that create as much electricity as your gas barbecues crystal?

    The University of Mississipi has put forth a notion that the only way these boxes make any sense whatsoever is if they were used to contain some kind of chemical pressure.

    Just making beer with yeast you could run pressures of up to 100 lbs psi.

    This is why the 100 ton boxes have 30 ton lids. They seem like they may have been giant pressure "generators".

    The U of M pointed out that if yeast was fed animal fat. They could induce pressures 1000 times greater than what is inside your car tire.

    If you induced 10 000 lbs pressure inside a granite container would the 60% quartz content produce any viable electricity?

    Other theories suggest they could be "sarcophagi", but the only bones ever found in one came from a bull. If The University of Mississippi is correct, then they were using Bulls as fuel. Egyptology says Saqqara worshiped bull s from the evidence of finding a few bone fragments inside one of these 100 ton granite containers.

    Perhaps they did machine these insanely big and heavy 100 ton Granite boxes and moved them through tunnels at Saqqara to the 24 stalls in which the reside. These 100 ton boxes are inside small tunnels. We would be hard pressed to remove these today along the same pathways they entered.

    This theory comes from the University of Mississippi.

    Other theories are that Aliens built them or were used to bury giants or angels. Some stand over 6 feet tall and ten feet long.

    Maybe they were just cow tombs?

    If it is indeed possible to squeeze the 60% quartz content of the granite with 10 000 psi. Could it be possible to steer that energy into something viable?

    The University ends its thery there and doesn't explain well the use of such energy if possible.

    Egypt knew how to make glass and glass blowing comes from ancient Egypt. We also know Mercury has been found under pyramids. Florescent lights are made with Mercury gas.

    I DO NOT KNOW. I am not saying any of this is true. Perhaps it was for burying angels?

    If a person put a fluorescent light atop a Granite or Crystal box. Would it light up?

    I am not suggesting ancient Egypt had light-bulbs. I am just saying that the granite boxes as generators was the best idea Ive heard thus far on Egypt. Of course a 30 ton lid is required with pressure. It makes more sense than Aliens.

    These 24 granite boxes are underneath a pyramid called "The step Pyramid". Another was found in the red pyramid. There is a 3 ton granite box in the Kings Chamber of the great pyramid.

    Maybe they were giant tombs.

    If you throw quartz rocks at a the ground they all briefly light up. Kids do it while camping. It seems almost plausible ancients might wish to capitalize on that somehow.

    It depends if the energy is usable. Fluorescent lights or noble gas bulbs were within their technology at the time. They had Mercury and glass blowing.

    Questions:

    1) Could you create a steady stream of energy by slowly increasing the pressure inside a granite box until the pressures exceeded 10 000 psi (guessing how much pressure a 30 ton lid would hold).

    2) Did the Egyptians have the technology to make a fluorescent light?

    3) Could such a granite box power such a lamp?

    Please note: I am not suggesting pyramid power. I am only talking about these very strange boxes.

    If this new Theory from UofM makes sense to anyone. Then you are an alternative theorist.

    It seems like logic but I don't know how such energy would be used. Maybe they were just brewing beer?

    Maybe this was a beer factory.

    Here is the Theory. It seems to actually contain some logic.

     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    Nope.
    Nope.

    Or wine. Both were popular back then.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Do barbecue lighters contain crystals? How interesting. Got a link to where I can learn more?

    The term "bolt of lightning" is a bit misleading though. The spark on your gas stove lighter has far less energy than a lighting bolt by orders of magnitude.

    Maybe. You still wouldn't get much electricity out.

    Probably a bit.

    Maybe.

    Viable for what? Lighting a barbecue? Maybe.

    Oh, here we go. Off to Never Land with the pixies.

    There's that word again. Viable for what? Bear in mind that we're probably not talking a huge amount of electricity. There are much more efficient ways to generate electricity that the one you've suggested.

    Sand has been found under pyramids, too. Glass is made of sand! Wow, I think you're on onto something here.

    Perhaps they were cages for pet dragons.

    Probably not. Do you think it would?

    Wouldn't a water wheel or something have been easier?

    I'm curious. What do you think the Egyptians used electricity for, if not light bulbs?

    You mean the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber?

    Do they? Interesting. Have you tried it?

    Okay. Have archeologists ever dug up any fluoro lights or street lights from ancient Egypt, that you're aware of?

    No. Not a steady stream. Maybe if you had some system to increase and decrease the pressure in a cycle. It would be a very inefficient way to generate electricity, though, I think.

    Not that I'm aware of.

    I don't think so.

    Got a link to a published article on this from the University?
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Piezoelectricity from quartz crystals certainly is well-known and can produce high voltages. However the current it can generate is minuscule and only lasts a fraction of a second.

    Electric power is, as you may know, voltage x current, so if you have only a tiny current you cannot get much power. And energy is power x time, so if your tiny power output only lasts a fraction of a second, the energy produced is very tiny indeed. Which is just as well, since otherwise a gas lighter would be a lethal weapon.

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    So I don't think this idea makes a lot of practical sense, quite apart from the lack of evidence that the ancient Egyptians made any use of electricity.

    But can you provide a link to this work you refer to by the University of Mississippi? It could be interesting to read it.
     
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    Parthian Battery?
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Wot dat?
     
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  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Google gives zero results on a search for UofM and Saqqara.
    It does, however, show that a certain Konstantin Borisov who was educated[1] at the UofM has written a paper -published on the Academia website - espousing this very same "theory". (Academia.edu is not, I've found, particularly rigorous about whether the papers there are actually scientific or not).

    1 Not sure what his Ph.D is in, but his papers assure us that the Great Pyramid was essentially a lightbulb for the whole planet, and also provided weather control...

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    https://independent.academia.edu/KonstantinBorisov2
     
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  13. Bob-a-builder Registered Member

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    James R,

    I suppose saying bolt of lightning in a gas barbecue is misleading, but I did state that it was a tiny crystal and "enough of a bolt to start a barbecue".

    Fogive me if I was trying tomake it sound simpler.

    You are not aware of why a gas barbecues lighter requires no fuel?

    Here is an article explaining how gas barbecue lighters produce a spark. See. Spark is a bad word. Bolt is more fitting.

    Piezo-electricity is well known and peer reviewed. It is not an alternative theory.

    https://home.howstuffworks.com/question383.htm

    Here is a video. It shows a Barbecue lighter working.



     
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. But fantasizing that it could be used as a source of power is.
    You could generate a lot more static electricity simply by rubbing a few common materials, such as fur.
    But you're not going to power a light bulb with it.
     
  15. Bob-a-builder Registered Member

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    Exchemist, James R, etc.:
    The 100 ton granite boxes at Saqqara were not indigenous to the area. Only rock with high crystal content was used and these boxes were machined to tolerances within a micron. Unlike the Pyramids. These 100 ton boxes were manipulated through curved tunnels negating any notions of 200 men pulling them. There simply was no room.

    Granite is 60%+ quartz crystal.

    As I said. Perhaps they were just using these 7' X 10' 100 ton containers with 30 ton lids simply to brew a good beer. That makes more sense to me than that aliens or angels were buried there. Using cows as fuel for yeast also seems to be more plausible than worshiping cows.

    Another aspect of proof is the damage done to most every granite (60%+ quartz crytsal) box. They all seem to have damage to their corners. If yeast grew to pressures of 10 000 lbs psi and the lid pops up. The explosive air would do such damage. Some of these Sarcophagi also had what appear to be two squares in the lid at one end. If the lid moved a bit these would serve as a blast wall of sorts (visible in video linked in original comment). So explosive damages also seem present.

    NOTE: Damage to corner of box.

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    This lid seems to have a way to help release the gas (unless you think its to release bull spirits). As most all granite boxes found around pyramids are damaged as if with chemical explosive force

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    Some of these were found with stacks of blocks on the lids (first sketches during discovery) also infer maybe they needed extra weight on he lids to keep the pressure from escaping.

    If you simply throw a quartz rock at the ground it lights up for a second. It makes sense that the ancients might want to at least try to capitalize on such a thing.

    If you spent 15 minutes researching the construction of these boxes and their weights/tolerances. The notion of sarcophagi seem more of an alternate theory than this.

    Tolerance within microns would create a hermetic seal.

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    NOTE ANOTHER POSSIBLE PROOF: The bulls and many "gods" are sometimes portrayed with circles or spheres upon their heads. Its suggested these could be "Flourescent lights" as Egypt had glass blowing and much liquid mercury has been discovered in these places. mercury gas makes fluorescent light bulbs. Could these be made to light simply be being in the vicinity of piezo-electricity... I don't know.

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    These types of images are throughout egypt in most every portrayal of their gods.

    This is an "IPIS BULL" if you wish to search for many such images. There are many related Heiroglyphs. The above is just first one I found.

    If the Egyptians did find a way to light a fluorescent light from a distance as Nikola Tesla did. It would make the above image have some semblance of sanity.

    This would also make sense with all the god nonsense in Egypt.

    Nobody has surmised that Egypt could have looked like an ancient Las Vegas with Neon lights everywhere, but if they could project such power the above does have some semblance of a glass blown sphere which could contain noble gas. Note the snake is also present and in some early drawings the Egyptians seemingly had a "crookes tube" bulb.

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    Note the "snake" like appearance in a crookes tube. This is perhaps what the snakes mean in all of their heiroglyphs.

    The notion of a light-bulb in Egypt has been explored to death and some deem it plausible, but they had no power source. Unless this granite thing holds water (and yeast).

    I suppose it boils down to whether some kind of current could be formed from rock to rock as we use wires.

    The ark of the covenant myths also could be related. If you were to have Quartz walls in a lead box and filled it with yeast could the pressures inside create viable piezo-electricity?

    I think some of this sounds more plausible than Aliens or angels. The best current theory is that they worshiped bulls because they discovered a few bull bone fragments inside one of these boxes. This theory suggests they were fuel, not worshiped as academia currently postulates.

    If a person discovered a light bulb 10 000 years ago. The might use it to scare the natives.

    If you went back in time with a cell phone or flashlight. You might wish to mount it on your head to make all the cavemen oooh and awe with excitement and fear.

    So if a Nikola Tesla type free radiant energy existed in at least a minimum scale. Priests or "gods" (faked obviously) could fashion lights upon their heads for the "wow factor".

    Example:

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    This type of red sphere is pictured on many, many images in heiroglyphs... often with a snake accompanying.

    The Crook and flail is also in much Egyptology. King Tut had them on his golden casket. It has been suggested they represent the push and pull of magnetism.

    I did not invent this theory. I am adding the links you requested below, but I had to google them.

    I merely saw the video (in first post here) while looking at electricity for another topic. I have zero clue if granite can conduct electricity or create field or how far such fields could be projected.

    I just thought this theory deserved a fitting place here in "alternative theories". I think it makes a lot more sense than that the builders of these pyramids were doing it merely to worship bulls. Granite "sarcophagi" have been found in most of thebigger tombs of Egypt including the great pyramid.

    I suggest looking at the near impossible feats of Saqqara. They moved 100 ton boxes down narrow tunnels. Often.

    MORE PROOF: These boxes alcoves also had enough room to turn these lids. There is evidence they opened and closed them frequently. If these were meant as tombs then opening and closing them regularly would seem disgusting. Here.. let's look at grandma again.


    The University did not propose the light-bulb thing. I heard that elsewhere. The University suggests the granite boxes were a source of energy. By pressurizer crystal boxes from the inside.

    As I said. Maybe they were just really keen on good beer.

    It does seem like a fun theory.

    Egypt did have: Electroplating, Mercury, glass blowing.

    But did they have a way of creating current with just tight fitting or solidly cut rocks? That I have no way to research. I am just reading and trying to understand this. I spent much of last week trying to learn a few things on electricity and this caught me attention. I'd rather not discuss it much as I have no knowledge of is validity. It only seems more plausible to me that our ancestors might make efforts to make quartz rocks glow a tad longer than when you just toss them upon the ground. Beats aliens and angels. Beats worshiping bulls. At least from a common sense perspective.

    I have spent an hour here linking photos, etc. More than I wished to, but it does have some sanity to it. At least parts of it.

    Each level has a series of kilometers long subterranean tunnels cut out of the bedrock (chisels and hammers?).
    Each tunnel has adjoining caverns with precisely carved 90 ton rose granite boxes that were somehow lowered into them.
    The official story is that the Serapeum is a burial place for sacred Apis bulls.
    The official story of the pyramids is that they are a burial place for pharaohs.

    Complex:

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    Here is one paper I can find but I could not download it. I am not a member of academia(dot)edu

    https://www.academia.edu/37092601/T...a._Alternative_theory_for_the_granite_coffers

    Here is writing on it not from academia.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/new-...t-the-serapeum-of-saqqara-in-egypt/Konstantin Borisov is the engineer making these claims. https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/serapeum-sarcophagi-021992and
     
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  16. Bob-a-builder Registered Member

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    James R,


    I said, "Other theories are that Aliens built them or were used to bury giants or angels."

    I was RIDICUILING THAT NOTION...
    so ... keep your pixie notion to them.... I am suggesting something that makes at l;east some sense... Unless YOU buy into the bull worshipping aline, stuff.

    you said," Oh, here we go. Off to Never Land with the pixies."

    Maybe actually READ COMMENTS before ridiculing them.

    again you said.

    "Perhaps they were cages for pet dragons." when I said "I DO NOT KNOW. I am not saying any of this is true. Perhaps it was for burying angels?"
    I was being facetious.

    I ALSO think alien theory is pretty stupid.

    Yes... The notion they were cages for pet dragons is the type of explanations that exist thus far.

    Methinks you are too quick to ridicule on alternative theories.

    My last post gave a better explanation... ridicule that all you like... but at least dont assume my Facetious comments are postulating.

    My previous comment is all I suggest and noen of it came from me.

    I would wager that this type of thinking will win over the bull burying hypothesis.

    Give it a year or two.

    See my last comment above... or don't. I don't care.

    This is alternative theories and yhis is an alternative theory that has more sense than worshiping and burying bulls.

    I would even wager this will one day be mainstream science.
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with Wiki. Seems vanishingly unlikely that it was an electrochemical cell. These people did not have wires.
     
  18. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    So no answer to my question, viz. a reference to the work you say was done by Mississippi university. I suppose you made that up, then.

    What you have posted is totally implausible and ridiculous, as my post - which you have simply ignored - makes obvious.

    Another day, another Mysteries-of-the-Ancients crank, it seems.
     
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    I read them and I detected no note of ridicule or facetiousness in them.
    Hmm. Who do you suppose is responsible for ensuring your intent is clear?
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    ...weighing up to 70 tonnes...
    Source for this precision? Sources that they were "machined" - unless the term is being used loosely. (Other than woo sites).
    Allegedly.
    ...granite is an igneous rock with between 20% and 60% quartz...
    Make your mind up: massive gas pressure isn't a "chemical explosive".
    And?
    You don't appear to have spent this long, why should anyone else?
    Given that the photo shows an apparent gap between the stone and the metal square that "micron precision" seems to be an exaggeration.
    This much is apparent, yet you seem to have made your mind up anyway...
    And, since "current from rock to rock" is effectively ruled out that should give you pointers.
    No. The piezoelectric effect doesn't work like that.
    Nah.
    No it didn't. (Unless you have an actual source).
    Go back and read what I posted: the same guy proposed the "energy source" AND the "world light bulb" and he was educated AT but not employed BY the UofM.
    Source? (Again, not from a woo site please).
    No.
    Nutcase website.
    Yes, that Borisov: he doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Not only is that a nutcase website it's also manages to be anti-Semitic, white separatist, holocaust denying, historical revisionist[2], white nationalist[3], and neo-Nazi.
    Good choice for a "reliable" source.
    Yeah, it's kinda weird how it's electrical engineers that manage to turn into complete loons. (He also gets quoted/ published on Graham Hancock's website: a perfect indicator of the validity of his nonsense).
    Again - a nutcase website.
     
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  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What? Not another crank electrical engineer? Maybe radiation from telcomms masts does addle the brain, after all.

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    I claimed to have arrived at this alternative theory from the video I linked in post # 1.

    That video said "Mississipi state University". This is an alternative Theory. This is the alternative theory section of sciforums.

    NOTE: and I did not ignore your questions. I discussed them at length. Especially towards the end and I SAID I had to google them.

    The video I linked made the Mississipi claims. I could not even have told you the guys name but did in my previous address to you.

    So... noted. You agree the ancients worshiped bulls and constructed highly precise (within microns) 30 tons lids.. not to hermetically seal chemicals and contain pressure, but to bury bulls. That is the current academia explanation. I would ridicule that more (perhaps I just did).

    If you had read my last comment you would see the eveidence and my note to you near the ending. I gave what written links I could google just to satisfy your "question" which you say I ignored.
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have an opinion at all on the practices of the ancient Egyptians, not being an Egyptologist. You seem to be committing the fallacy of assuming that the only possible explanations MUST be either one you dislike and ridicule or your own implausible ideas, and that by rejecting one I MUST be endorsing the other. That's bullshit.

    Look, I've already told you piezoelectricity generates only a tiny amount of electricity. What I did not tell you, as it did not seem relevant at first, is that there is another issue. When you bend a crystal of quartz you get a voltage, but that is quickly discharged by the passage of a tiny amount of current. After it is discharged, no more current passes. If you want to get more current out, you have to bend it back and forth to produce effectively an alternating current.

    So the notion that a static pressure in these boxes will generate power continuously is quite wrong.

    You can equally well look at it in terms of the law of conservation of energy. To generate power something has to keep on doing work, e.g. in this scenario by bending the crystal back and forth continually. A static head of pressure does not do that.

    (By the way, an alternative theory does not get a free pass on a science forum, even if you put in the Alternative section. It will still be subjected to scientific scrutiny.)
     

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