Ya' know, many of you post about the hurricane disaster as though you're highly qualified in emergency management and human resources. So, I thought it would be nice to see your explanation on what to do about the coming major earthquake that "destroys" Los Angeles. What would you do now? We know it's coming, right? And we know it's gonna' be a big one! What would you do to avert the same/similar disaster as Katrina? Would you put thousands of buses on stand-by? Or thousands of semi-trucks loaded with food and water on stand-by around the city? Come on ....tell us just what you'd do ...and assume that you have unlimited money. Baron Max
heh can i also assume i have some hot ho's servicing me while i spend the infinite amount of moolah? can i also assume the aliens are not hostile? can i also assume you actually have a brain?
lets look at a actual scenario a scenario that occurred in the good old days when our rulers kept fema funded Day 1 - Monday, January 17, 1994 4:30 a.m. An earthquake of a magnitude of 6.8 occurs in the Los Angeles area, centered in Northridge. Damage spread over 2100 square miles and through three different counties. 4:31 a.m. 5.9 aftershock 4:35 a.m. Emergency Operations Center is activated 4:45 a.m. FEMA Response begins 5:35 a.m. Region IX Regional Operations Center is activated 5:45 a.m. Mayor Riordan declares a state of emergency 6:00 a.m. FEMA Headquarters Emergency Support Team is activated 6:45 a.m. As many as fifty structure fires have been reported, in addition to numerous ruptures in water and natural gas mains. Power outages reported citywide. 9:05 a.m. California Governor Pete Wilson Declares a State of Emergency 9:45 a.m. All active fires were under control 2:08 p.m. President Clinton declares a national disaster for Los Angeles County 7:00 p.m. Disaster Field Office is Opened 7:00 p.m. First of several contracts was in place and crews had begun to work on debris clearance and highway demolition March Air Force Base is designated as the Federal Mobilization Center U.S. Public Health Service deploys four Disaster Medical Assistance Teams to the disaster area FEMA deploys two urban search and Rescue teams American Red Cross sets up 26 shelters; Salvation Army sets up 5 shelters EPA responds to investigate a 200,000-gallon oil spill into the Santa Clarita River Many major freeways and roadways are partially or completely closed, diverting massive amounts of vehicles onto adjacent streets. Within hours of the earthquakes, existing Emergency Operations Centers set up initial detours for the damaged roadways. Caltrans Traffic Management Plan (TMP) is set in motion to organize detours, plan for transit adjustments, and deploy ITS technologies controlled by the Earthquake Planning and Implementation Center (EPI-center). Caltrans decides to take two arterials parallel to a damaged roadway, re-stripe them and operate them one-way only during peak periods, open truck bypass lanes to all traffic, and add an HOV lane in each direction. Day 2 - Tuesday, January 18, 1994 All I-5 lanes are closed except northbound I-5 to northbound SR-14 truck lanes. All SR-14 Lanes are closed.* Local streets are used as detours. The Mobil Emergency Response System (MERS) arrives in southern California with 28 telecommunication specialists FEMA Special Facility Tele-registration Center is activated Day 3 - Wednesday, January 19,1994 Casualty Information Center reported 2,400 injuries treated and released at area hospitals, 526 hospitalized, and 40 deaths. President Clinton arrives in Los Angeles. Los Angeles Mayor Riordan declares a curfew. Metrolink enhances services to handle immediate increase in ridership, including using buses and taxis as shuttles to Metrolink stations, adding three park-and-ride lots with 900 new spaces near a damaged interchange, enhancing routes and schedules for rail and bus service, allowing bicycles on Metrolink rail
baroness So, I thought it would be nice to see your explanation on what to do about the coming major earthquake that "destroys" Los Angeles. silly fantasies What would you do now? We know it's coming, right? And we know it's gonna' be a big one! ahh. what is it that you know that others do not? Ya' know, you post about the coming earthquake as though you're highly qualified in seismology and psychic prediction What would you do to avert the same/similar disaster as Katrina? we are well prepared Would you put thousands of buses on stand-by? Or thousands of semi-trucks loaded with food and water on stand-by around the city? only a fucking child can throw a hissy fit like this
Build titanium or steel X shaped frames around all buildings over 3 stories tall, similar to the method in mexico city, replace all glass windows with plastic. Have emergency water supplies ready, make a public training period for people at work and in schools, on what to do during an earthquake, broadcast it on TV. Coat the undersides of highway overpasses and bridges with kevlar weave and cable. Mix rubber composites into all newly laid road surfaces, make all buildings have fluid balasts, make all buildings have fibered spring foundations. Train firemen on how to effectively save people from wreckage, have sniffer dogs ready all the time to find people in the wreckage. Prepare an emergency refugee camp and leave it on stand by for when the quake does happen, make sure there are enough supplies already there to last for months. HAve sesmically tirgered valves on all incoming gas veins, which will turn off the supply as soon as an earthquake occurs.
please can we leave this thread alone until baron max responds to gustavs second post so that it doesnt go off on a tangent.
an apple a day keeps the doctor away AKA an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure (your mama) mitigation strategies in san francisco Utils California Department of Transportation (CALTRANS) • Strengthening San Francisco Bay bridges, including approaches and toll plazas • Strengthening elevated freeway sections and overpasses throughout the area East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) • Proposed a $189 million seismic improvement program • Held public meetings to explain the program to ratepayers • Expects to save $1.2 billion in a future earthquake Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) • Implementing a company-wide seismic safety plan to help ensure that power and gas systems function after an earthquake. • Spending $100 million each year to protect lives and reduce the risk of service disruption to customers • Replacing100 miles of old, vulnerable gas pipe each year • Replacing vulnerable transformers, circuit breakers, and other at-risk components of the electric system • Replacing or strengthening substation buildings and other system structures Pacific Bell Telephone (PacBell) • Strengthening data centers and buildings that house equipment supporting emergency telecommunications services • Installing backup power generators govt Berkeley • Training in disaster response for neighborhoods • Training in search and rescue, disaster first aid, and fire suppression • Passed a $55 million bond issue, including funds for a new independent emergency water system to protect vulnerable business district and residences from fires • Salt water pumping stations near San Francisco Bay • Grid of water pipes and hydrants in West Berkeley • 75,000-gallon cisterns • Formed citizens oversight committee to assess city's efforts Oakland • Passed $50 million bond issue • New emergency response center • Emergency shelter areas at schools • Search-and-rescue capability San Francisco • Upgrade of extensive emergency water system built after the 1906 earthquake • Shaking-activated shutoff valves to isolate vulnerable sections of pipe • Computer control of system operation from several command posts • Strengthen vulnerable major public buildings, such as the City Hall, Opera House, Civic Auditorium, and Veterans Building • Passed $350 million bond issue to finance the strengthening of vulnerable, privately owned unreinforced masonry structures (URMs) • Vulnerable commercial-use URMs tagged "hazardous" at public entrance • Geologic conditions are used to set scheduling priorities for strengthening San Leandro • Passed $18 million bond issue to strengthen fire and police stations and public buildings • Established radio station to provide earthquake-preparedness information • Assists residents to strengthen homes • Detailed, easy-to-understand instructions • Loan of necessary tools • Free, rapid inspection by city • Certification to homeowners that home has been strengthened to city standards Sunnyvale • Conducts "Sunnyvale Neighborhoods Actively Prepare" (SNAP) program • Prepares neighborhoods of 35-50 homes to be self-sufficient for 72 hours • Identifies captains and provides extensive training to neighborhoods *Gallagher Associates to the California Department of Insurance that concluded that over 25 percent of the dwellings built before 1940 moved from their foundations as a result of the 1983 Coalinga earthquake in central California. It costs between $1,000 and $2,000 to brace a one-story house so that it will not move from its concrete foundation. In return the homeowner can expect savings of between $25,000 and $30,000 if his house would otherwise have moved from its foundation as a result of a future earthquake
That earthquake was a baby!! It did cause damage, but nothing of the like of Katrina NOR what will occur during "The Big One". With Katrina, many of the areas of the city were impassable and, more to the point, were isolated from any of the "service" areas. If "The Big One" hits, there won't be any passable "local streets"! Buildings will be collapsed onto them. No electricity to pump the gas or to run the metro trains! Can't turn the power back on even if it had been available ....ya' know what happens with electricity and water? Or downed electric lines? I think your post is pretty neat, but simplistic. But that earthquake was nothing compared to what "The Big One" will do ...nor what Katrina did to New Orleans or the Gulf Coast cities. I will say, however, that most here seem to think that a few phone calls is all it takes to send all that massive rescue effort. It's lots more than that! It's also why they call things like this a "disaster" ....if it were simple, we'd call it a big rain storm. I also think it's pretty easy to criticize what you don't know. I would also caution you that no one would have dragged their feet about this INTENTIONALLY ...which is what many of you are alleging. Baron Max
Yes, done and paid for by the State of California and the city of SF!!! NOT by the federal government! So .....what about New Orleans and Louisiana??? Yet some of you seem to be criticizing the president and the federal government for things that should have been by the state and by the city. Please try to focus your criticizisms a little better. Baron Max
the stupidity of lumping hurricanes with earthquakes, socal with bayou geology is mind boggling only a fucking dullard would fall for this pathetic troll
You're being an ass about this, Max. The fact of the matter is that the response to Hurricane Katrina was shit. Complete shit. When the tsunami struck India the response time for airlifting food and supplies was something on the order of a day. A single day. And the tsunami was an unprepared for event. Something that could not be foreseen. Katrina was seen boogeying across the coast and headed for New Orleans for days prior to the event. Nothing you can say will mitigate the failure of authorities on all levels to react to this disaster. Keep in mind that the issues here are not 'hurricane prevention' or even the failure to maintain the levees to a satisfactory standard (although, this is, in fact, an issue. But not the one which people are complaining about.) The issue is dropping in food and water. That's it. People were dying because it took 5 days to get food and water into the area. Food. And. Water. Something that should have been ready to go on day one. That's the issue.
Ya' know, many of you post about the hurricane disaster as though you're highly qualified in emergency management and human resources. So, I thought it would be nice to see your explanation on what to do about the coming Armageddon that "destroys" the world. what is this armageddon you ask? fucking heathens!
they should have been mobilised to deal with this before the huricane even hit land. They had 4 days and what did they do? set up some buses? tell people to go to somewhere that had no food or water?
Mobilized to deal with WHAT? Even FEMA can't read the future! They didn't know that the levees would break! They didn't know that the city would be innundated with water. They didn't know all those people would be trapped by the water! Mobilize to do ...what?.... everything that could possibly happen? Also don't forget that the emergency management was MAINLY the responsibiltiy of the city, NOT the federal government. The hierarchy is ...city, state, then federal AFTER the state declares it an emergency. That feds don't just mobilize without the city or state's request. I was under the impression that the city DID provide free buses for the evacuation of the city. Some people refused to leave ...how many? And why? And another thing: Just how much responsibility does a city government have toward it's citizens? They told them to leave, to evacuate. If they didn't or couldn't, just where does the responsibility lie? Or we to suddenly switch to a socialist government style just because of a storm?? Baron Max
No! They "thought" the levees could take only a Cat 3 .....they didn't know! And they also didn't know that when Katrina hit, that it would remain a Cat 4 or 5! And even if it did, the levees MIGHT have held. And if so, then all of the "crystal ball" planning would have been wasted effort and assets. In California, I think people plan for three to five days of emergency supplies in case of earthquakes. Why didn't the citizens of New Orleans have such emergency supplies???? The fault is NOT with the democratic goverments to care for all of the citizens. That's what freedom means!!! ...take care of yourself. And don't blame the government when YOU failed to care for yourself and your family. Baron Max
quite simple governor blanco "As we face the devastation wrought by Katrina, as we search for those in need, as we comfort those in pain and as we begin the long task of rebuilding, we turn to God for strength, hope and comfort." "I have declared August 31, 2005, a Day of Prayer in the State of Louisiana." "I am asking that all of Louisiana take some time Wednesday to pray. Pray for the victims and the rescuers. Please pray that God give us all the physical and spiritual strength to work through this crisis and rebuild" "Pray the hurricane down"
maybe you hit the nail on the head barron. In this country we only have 2 major levels of goverment State and Fed. The mayors do as little as possable (ie they only organise garbage collections and mowing lawns). If a disaster hits the premier and the PM deal with it straight away. As much as i hate howard he can move fast when he has to (its when he doesnt have to there is a problem). If we have cyclone coming the rescue is organised on the assumption that the counter measures WONT work not that they will (fires take a little longer to deal with but the other states chip in within days)
rather valid questions, i think. worthy of a new discussion you can focus state of louisiana and the city of new orleans and assess culpability in this debacle Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
