earliest life or rare dirt?

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  1. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    I have always said that someday we will find human remains that is atleast 250 million years old...

    When the WTC towers collapsed, everything turned to dust. They could not find any computers, furniture, phones etc - all turned to dust. Imagine a major asteroid stike, I am sure that will turn everything on the ground to dust. And I am not sure if anything except gold will survive 250 million years.
     
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  5. Hevene Registered Senior Member

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    I wonder if we ever gonna find out what happened at the beginning.....
     
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  7. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    probably not

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    , if there wasn't an alien race ho monitored tht and still exists or has left a message

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    I wonder if someone left any artificial gadget on the surface or just below the surface - if that will survive 250 million years....

    I do not think even pyramids will survive that long, unless built on moon ?
     
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    I read from another thread, there's this shadow on the moon looks like a pyramid...
     
  10. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    It's known that corpses have been preserved so well that they have caused manhunts for murders, until it was found that it was an earlier age man that had strayed and died in a peat bog.

    Thre are ways of preserving things for an extremely long time, but it involves a mixture of burying something in a sodden wet ground. Not at the bottom of a free flowing river or sea, but somewhere that is kept submerged in water. That's why peat bogs are a good place for preserved findings.

    Only other place to put something is frozen in a glacier, but ice can melt and expand, so damage could occur.
     
  11. Edufer Tired warrior Registered Senior Member

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    Well, actually there are signs that there existed an ancient and extinct civilization about 65 million years ago. The subject can be grouped under the title of "The Stones of Ica", or "The Stones of Ocucaje Desert".

    Ica is a city in the south of Peru, near the desert of Ica, high in the Andes. Ocucaje is a small village in that desert, where their inhabitants have been taking carved stones from an undisclosed cave in the nearby mountains. These stones have been throughly studied and, of course, the scientific establishment (desktop archaeologists and others) say they are faked by the villagers, selling them to the tourists for a profit. But, let's go a step at a time.

    Back in the earlies 70s, a villager gave a stone to Dr. Javier Cabrera Darquea, director of the Hospital at Ica. He used it a paper weight for months, until he became interested in the carving: it showed a bird, of a species extinct millions of years ago, when dinosaurs disappeared. He asked the villagers of Ocucaje to bring him more stones, and that way he began to make a huge collection of carved stones (all sizes, from the size of an orange to 400 kg stones). The collection have now more than 15,000 stones, something that dismiss the official claim the they are carved by the villagers. Because there is <b>only one known man</b> (Basilio Uchuya) that carves stones for the tourists -- and a football sized stone takes him about two weks of work. Multiply two weeks by 15,000 stones and you get 30,000 weeks = 576.9 years of work.

    Besides that, the stones have been studied at the University of Bonn, Germany, where they dated the stones with more than 65,000,000 years. They studied the hardness of the stones (Andesita, a feldspar common in the Andes) and determined it was 2.4 Brinell in the outside, increasing to the interior up to 4.0 Brinell. They studied also the "fakes", and found the hardness of the "walls" of the carves or scratches, to be different from the hardness of the exterior, showing the sharp instrument removed the soft external layer, exposing the harder interior. In the originals, the hardness is uniform all over the surface and carvings. This means that the natural wheathering of atmospheric elements worked for 65 million years on the surface of the stone AND the carvings, proving without any doubt that the carvings are authentic.

    It is an amazing thing to have stones carved 65 million years ago, but the most remarkable thing is that the stones are like the pages of a book that tell incredible things: hunting of pre-deluge animals as dinosaurs and pterodactyls, human organs transplants (heart and brains), surgey of all kinds, men flying on top of "mechanical birds", men watching the sky with telescopes, unknown continetal masses, celestials maps, etc. If we are to believe these carvings and the date of carving, we must go back to the Cretaceous period, at the end of the Secondary Era. Of course, paleonthology does not accept the "marriage" of man-dinosaurs.

    In one of the stories accounted in the stone library, there is a heart transplant where the patient is receving a blood transfusion from a pregnant woman. A group of British scientists tried the technique in 1980 and found the blood of pregnant women contain an anti-rejection hormone that prevents the transplanted organ to be rejected by the host. How could the ignorant villagers at Ica know about this? --in case the stones are a forgery.

    The stones show an Earth with TWO moons, and works by archaeologists in Peru have found ancient legends about an ancient civilization of "short stature men with big heads" that had to take refuge in the caves in the Andes when one of the two moons fell to Earth. One of the last discoveries made by Dr. Cabrera Darquea is <b>the fossil of a human being</b> found in the same geological strata where dinosaurs have been found, making these fossil contemporary with dinosaurs --extinct 65 million years ago. Many of these stones can be found in the Peruvian Air Force Museum, especially those related to flying men.

    One of the best account you can have on the Ica stones is found in a book written by Spanish journalist J.J. Benitez, (in Spanish, I don´t know if there is an English translation) "¿Existio Otra Humanidad? (Was There Another Mankind?").

    This is a useful link to a page with many links to this subject and other interesting things related to mysterious things. Give it a try:

    <A HREF=http://skepdic.master.com/texis/master/search/?db=sites%2Fwww.skepdic.com&query=Ica+stones>"http://skepdic.master.com/texis/master/search/?db=sites%2Fwww.skepdic.com&query=Ica+stones".</A>

    I would suggest from these list, the first one, from the Skeptic Dictionary at:

    <A HREF="http://www.skepdic.com/icastones.html">http://www.skepdic.com/icastones.html</A>, where you'll find an fairly accurate story to start your quest into the Ica Stones. Or, go here to get picutres of the stones and a nice account on the subject.

    <A HREF="http://www.weirdvideos.com/ancient2.html">http://www.weirdvideos.com/ancient2.html</A>
     
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